I read a lot about guys finishing razors on glass plates. Are we talking about shapton glass plates or something different? I believe I recall one gentleman referring to a 20k glass plate and it got me to wondering...
Don
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I read a lot about guys finishing razors on glass plates. Are we talking about shapton glass plates or something different? I believe I recall one gentleman referring to a 20k glass plate and it got me to wondering...
Don
Yup. Had me baffled too!
But you're right it's Shapton.
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Finishing on glass plate = Shapton
They go all the way to 30k.
I know they go to 30k, I've just never seen or heard about a shapton 20 or 25k. I've heard of the 16 and then the 30. Have they begun producing a 20 and 25k stone?
A 20k Glass plate does not exist. Whoever referred to probably did not realize what they were saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPeet
The only 20K I'm aware of is the Suehiro Gokumyo 20K. Which isn't to say others don't exist, they just aren't on my radar if they are.
Most* of the time when you hear someone finishing on glass they're probably referring to Shapton Glass stones.
I'm the only one I've seen using an actual piece of frosted glass for honing, in the form of an old glass barber's hone. Yes, it works. I was surprised too.
I've seen 15k, 16k, & 30k. Nothing in between.
How well do those work? I know were one is in an Antique store and have left it there thinking it was a gimmickQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshal
I've only used mine once, but I can say for certain that it put an edge on my razor sharper than 8K. I need to play with it more, but I would put the shave in the ball park of Welsh Slates and Arkansas stones. I was both surprised and very happy with how well it worked.
Personally I use a piece of 1/2" thick ordinary glass. Don't know how much of a difference it makes from a shapton glass hone but it works for me.
I have used the Glass Barber Hone with assorted super fine grits. It works if all stages earlier were done well. It will not make a poorly set edge better. It can tune up a good edge with a polishing agent applied.
Pasted strop better for most usage!
YMMV
~Richard
I believe Victory Hone Co. out of Des Moines made small glass hones. fond of those little guys because they wrote "don't blame the hone" right on them! that said, i'm sure when people say "finish on glass" they're referring to Shapton Glass 99.99% of the time
A few clarifications here…
A glass plate for honing is piece of glass, often float glass, that is flat and smooth. By itself it does not cut steel, so you have to add a grit slurry onto it to do any honing on it.
Shapton GlassStones are not the same as glass plates. You do not hone on the glass. You hone on the opposite side and the glass is just a support material.
The Shapton 30k GlassStone has 0.5 micron grit in it.
The Suehiro Gokumyo 20k has 0.5 micron grit in it.
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As is, I agree with Richard. It's fun to play with and can be a good finisher. I think if it were about 2 inches longer there really wouldn't be much the little fella couldn't accomplish. As it is, the dimensions make it hard to keep a slurry atop the hone. I used my Dragon's Tongue to build up a slurry on it, so that's only going to get the blade in the 6K ball park. But a few strokes on just wet glass brought it up over 8K, and the blade is still shaving well enough that I haven't felt the need or want to change anything. It's a fun toy to keep around, but I don't know how much actual use I'll get from it.
Aloha!
This whole thread reminds me of my old Amateur Radio days grinding crystals to frequency on a glass hone.
This was a very scientific process.... not. ;)
You basically put some Ajax and water on the glass hone, then circled the crystal (basically a shaved sliver cut crystal) slowly and methodically for a while. Then you washed it off, dried it out, and tested the frequency. You did this until you got close to your frequency and then removed the Ajax to finish the honing (grinding) of the crystal with just water to "fine-tune" it.
I'd forgotten about glass hones and grinding crystals until this thread.
Thanks for the memories, gents.
-Zip
I had heard of crystal radios but had absolutely no idea that was how it was done!
A crystal for the old cat's whisker raw galena crystal radios was a different item, the sweet spot on the crystal was tapped by the cat's whisker for an electrical diode to reduce the frequency of an incoming signal. In those days the closest station to the receiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
More photos:
Crystal sets
Here the crystal is lapped to become a flat plate, between contact plates, which vibrates at a constant frequency to assure the tuning of a radio transmitter or receiver stays within specified frequency assigned by the governing body of radio frequencies in an over crowded radio frequency spectrum.
Crystal_oscillator
Wait a minute, Shapton hones are actually glass? What kind of glass? Tempered I believe from the picture I saw of a dropped one. Seems to break into smaller chips instead of shards. Does this mean I can get a piece of thick glass, rough it up to 20k and it will actually be useful as a hone? I'm a tool maker by trade and my DIY buttons are being pushed. Lapping glass down to 20k, or what ever sound easier than lapping my Arkies up to.... well anything.
It's possible due to the abrasive.
Alu oxide is very stable, and has a very high melt point. So you can mix it in with a wide variety of materials even glass. And it's not going to have it's properties as an abrasive altered.
The type of glass they use, I have no idea. There are hundreds of grades, and even some of the harder glass grades fall under the melting point of alu-oxide. The point been the glass must be softer that the steel so it has no effect in honing. There is a balance that needs to be made. If the glass is too hard then it will not yield and give up new abrasive, too soft it will wear too fast.
In reality it's better to think of glass hones as fully vitrified. As opposed to ceramics that are baked and semi-vitrified.
A glass plate is not a hone, It is not hard enough to abrade steel by itself. You can add an abrasive, Powder, paste,film, but the glass itself is just providing a flat surface.
A naked glass block can be used to remove swarf from a hone. The naniwa superstones are know for loading in this manner and I have a little optical glass block that I use to remove the swarf. It's fast, and doesn't leave any grit on the hone that can alter the abrasiveness of the hone.
Not quite. Shapton Glass stones are an abrasive on a glass backer. The glass barber hone requires a buffing media like Iceni said. Slate, soap stone, pencil, some sort of abrasive paste or powder to do the sharpening. The glass just provides a hard flat surface to contain the slurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by duke762
So many words, and no pictures...
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A Shapton Glass hone is a piece of glass with a ceramic layer atop the glass plate.
Thanks, I didn't know what the actual honing material was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longhaultanker
https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/S...ries-P742.aspx
Here is an excellent description of the product.
Thank you for the info. I couldn't understand how Shaptons worked, now it's clear.
Shapton makes several lines of stones, Im just getting up to speed on them, I believe the "glass stones" appear to be their top line stones, the price on that 30k stone will hurt your feelings!!
Cam
You think the Glass 30K is bad? The Pro was $650 when it was available.
