Another Mystery Coticule

Hi Folks,

My first stone, a few years old (to me) now was this coticule. Obviously the layer of the stone doesn't change anything, but I'm of course curious. I've never had any issues getting a nice edge off this and when I use a rubber it produces slurry like nobody's business. Interestingly, it has these pink specs in it and the area they are in appears to be slightly softer, something that is only apparent when I lap the stone.

I've attached three photos: one dry, one wet, one with slurry.

Anyone have any thoughts? I've thought maybe La Veille Rouge de Regne (LVRR) but who knows!

Vlear side shots and back would help

Never heard about "la vieille rouge de regne" even in the coticule museum. But there is well the "rouge de salm" in the old quarries of coticule.

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Originally Posted by YoWan

Never heard about "la vieille rouge de regne" even in the coticule museum. But there is well the "rouge de salm" in the old quarries of coticule.

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IIRC La Lorraine, Rouge Du Salm is a special layer within two BBW Layers

I love mine btw, when I finish on them it leaves a very smooth skin friendly edge, mine is not super keen, but surely very smooth; in trying out different finishers this one might be my favorite currently (it's smoother than the Coticules I am currently testing, which surprised me in a pleasant way)


I've heard of "La Veille Rouge de Regne" on some forums, but can't recall reading about them on the main coticule forum, must be a more recently mined layer?

When I compare pics with the pics on other forums of the LVRR they do seem similar, however I have no idea about it's characteristics

Anybody that could shed more light onto this subject?

I should have thought to have attached some side/end shots too. Rectified here. My understanding of the LVRR vein is that it is newer and so I've not been able to find too much information on it. Regardless, I'm not sure what this is anyhow.

Maybe the biggest things for me is that because I don't have much experience with a variety of coticules (or even hones in general), I don't really have much of a basis to tell whether it cuts fast or slow, hard or soft. Fact remains, though, that I've really enjoyed this stone and have always been able to get a more than satisfactory edge off of it right from day one.

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It looks like it has slate backing, so it is probably a recently mined one. You can always try shooting the good folks at Ardennes Coticule a mail with pictures. If anyone knows it would be them.

Looks more like a LaDressante than a Vieille Rouge.

Pithor, you're right that it is definitely a recently mined one. I had thought about emailing the folks at Ardennes but decided against it since I can only imagine how many of those types of emails they get.

La Dressante Upper Layer is definitely another layer I had considered and it does seem to fit. I have to think that all the uncertainty around coticules is part of their mystique.

Especially in the first picture it looks to have some stripes like the typical Tiger La Dressante - without having red stripes but yellow ones.
Here is a picture of a typical tiger Dressante:

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Regards Peter

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Originally Posted by hatzicho

Especially in the first picture it looks to have some stripes like the typical Tiger La Dressante - without having red stripes but yellow ones.
Here is a picture of a typical tiger Dressante:

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Regards Peter

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Really interesting. I've never heard that term tiger applied before. The stripes make for a really beautiful stone. How would you say your tiger Dressante performs?

oh that's a La dressante Upper layer.
Loud feedback on slurry ... icy feedback on water...speed and hardness are variable....but usualy from medium to fast and medium to hard....gray stones are softer.
Colourfull ones are usualy harder.

Finessse...it's one of the finest cotis n terms of granularity.

It's like you've used the hone yourself! It's pretty easy to see why people can get a bit obsessed with coticules. Even the smell of the hone and the slurry is something I find really intoxicating.

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Originally Posted by mikael86

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Really nice stone! How do you like it?

It's alright. Easy to use and fine. One of the better ones I've had.

Ok with Hatziko ....

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La dressante au bleu
La dressante light yellow red points
La dressante tes !

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Originally Posted by TheCoticuleWhisperer

Any guess as to which vein/layer this new coticule from Ardennes comes from?

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Reminds me of a La Grise, awesome looking stone! I also hear some of their "whatever the line is called" all come from the La Grise mine, or at least they used to not too long ago, it might still be true

I have one that looks a lot a like it, bought from Ardennes directly and marked as a La Grise it also has the exact orange-y colored layer in between
Amazing stones, leaves one of the best/smoothest finishing edges imo