I need your hone master help identifying these stones

Gentlemen, I could use your assistance identifying these types of stones and what grit you might or might not think they are. I'm trying to ensure that I'm sharping my razors correctly.

This stone is very smooth, the chips are not sharp in any way.
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3089.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3090.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3092.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3094.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3095.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3097.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3098.JPG

This swaty feels courser than my 3 line swaty pictured beside it, it's strange in that both sides are different.
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3099.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3100.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3101.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3103.JPG


This stone feels quite course on the green side and smoother on the top
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3104.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3106.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3107.JPG

This stone is kind of purple and only smooth on the top. The back is raw.
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3109.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3111.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3112.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3114.JPG

This stone feels smoother on the purple side than the white top but the purple side has no razor marks on the bottom leading me to think it's not to be used. The stone appears to be glued?
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3115.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3117.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3119.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3120.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3121.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3122.JPG

This seems to be the most used stone of them all, again, just the top was used and boy, I'm sure the barber could really sharpen an edge because there's to bowls carved into the top.
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3123.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3124.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3125.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3126.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/fil...4/IMG_3127.JPG

Any help is highly appreciated

I can't help you much, but the 2 hones in the last 2 posts definitely look like coticules. One looks like a glued combo, and the other a natural combo. By combo I mean the purple/blue backing is BBW (Belgian Blue Whetstone).

Dave, thanks for the information, any guesses as to what the grit might or might not be.

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Originally Posted by ChayesFSS

Dave, thanks for the information, any guesses as to what the grit might or might not be.

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Assuming those 2 are coticules, an exact grit cannot be put on them. But generally they are said to perform around the 8000 range. It really depends if you use them with slurry or with water. The backside (dark blue side) is probably BBW as I mentioned, and that is somewhere in the 4000 range. Those are complete ballparks since they are natural stones, i.e. they vary, but those 2 coticules look VERY nice. If I were you I would lap those coticules and try them out! My advice is to search for any thread/post of Bart's. Here's our resident coticule expert. :)

As for the other stones...I'm not much help there.....Sorry.

I believe as dave does the final two are combo coticles, The blue belgian(purple) ranges approx 4-6 k grit and the yellow approx 8-10. As the stones are a natural occurence there is no quality control these are only approximations and probably open to debate. ;)

No idea what that first hone is but regardless of how smooth the chips in the edges are you want to chamfer them out.

That's correct. The last two stones pictured are coticules. As Dave has said, the second to the last is a "bonded" coticule combo and the last pictured is a natural coticule combo. Since the coticule stone is a fairly soft stone, they're commonly found dished like that.

The De-fi barber hone looks to be a dual grit hone. Note the hairline spider web like cracks in the surface. Some barber hones seem to exhibit this type of damage more than others. Opinions may differ, but personally, when I find barber hones that exhibit those types of hairline cracks, I consider them not worth using or at the least, not worth selling to someone in good conscience. Yes, barber hones with light hairline cracks can work fine especially when used with lather which seems to temporarily "seal" the cracks, but I pass up barber hones that look like that in antique shops and I don't sell them to others. If the cracking is pervasive enough, flexing the hone can break them without too much force. I had one barber hone with spider web type cracking that essentially crumbled when I gave it a little flex.

Chris L

That is a heck of a haul you've got there ChayesFSS. Be careful it doesn't lead to HAD. :nono:

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

That is a heck of a haul you've got there ChayesFSS. Be careful it doesn't lead to HAD. :nono:

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I'll try, I'll have to post up another that came with them all, it's only about 4 inches long, 1 inch wide and maybe 1/4 of an inch thick, it's all cream white and very hard. It was wrapped up in a paper towel and appears to be natural.

Is it just me, or does the 4th one, the purple one with the "kind of raw" back, look like a BBW that came off a Coti? Maybe somone dropped it?

very nice stones. as early mentioned about coticules . i want to know more about your first and second pitures ? how stone acts?

That last stone is a Coticule (so is the second last). This Coticule comes, with reasonanble certainty on my behalf, form the "La Petite Blanche" Layer. Coticules are found as yellow layers, sandwiched between Blue rock. All layers that were commercially exploited carry names. La Petite Blanche has the best reputation of them all. It are always natural combination hones (BBW-Coticule). That is because La Petite Blanche is a very narrow layer (as the name already suggests) Wider layers allow for several slabs of Coticule to be cut, that are glued to a backing stone. Not with La Petite Blanche. That does not mean that every natural combination hone is extracted from this layer. Very typical for La Petite Blanche is the presence of a thin line of Blue, that can be seen at the narrow side of the hone. They also often have tiny cracks on that same cross-section. For that reason, you'll not easily find a Petite Blanche Coticule sold as "kosher". But the it's one of the easiest Coticules to get great results. The feedback is amazing. Even while honing with water only on top of the hone, you'll still feel and hear the hone working for you. They're fast. Very fast. And fine. Very fine.
Once Ardennes Coticule starts selling hones based on the layer of extraction, I expect La Petite Blanche to be one of the most expensive layers.

The other Coticule, I can't tell, except that it is a Coticule. They all produce excellent edges, yet it takes some getting acquainted to.

Best regards,
Bart.

Is that first hone really that orange? If so it's a new one on me and it sure looks natural and not artificial. I hope we can figure this out. Some of the other stones are belgian coticules and belgian blues. The one that looks glued probably is glued and there were some companies doing that about 80 - 100 years ago. I have some in my collection. Avoid soaking these as they can come unglued due to the water soluble glue they used. The purplish stone is probably a belgian blue and that's a 4000 grit stone that is a great hone and one I use all the time mostly on cutlery these days as I use Shaptons on my razors. The combo stone with the swirly border between the two layers is a natural combo and the belgian quarry is the only quarry in the world that produces such a stone. They're very handy and I keep one in the medicine cabinet to keep my razors sharp between honings. Use water on the coticules to make a slurry as the slurry is what cuts and polishes the steel. Nice collection there!

This might be a better picture of that stone? Not quite as yellow as that pic looks
http://imgur.com/jPNzx.jpg