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that you need at least 30 different razors, and dozens, even hundreds of different stones, to truly understand it. That I will need to get a range of nagura of different qualities to truly understand the best way to get the perfect edge from each razor.
That truly learning to hone kamisori takes lots of time, and lots of money.
That's what the guy at the hone shop told me... :)
From what I have heard about the learning experiences of various hone meisters I would agree.
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Originally Posted by ndw76
SO would I. I just found it amusing that his advice included "dozens or even hundreds of hones."
Which he happens to sell.
Does "The Guy at the Hone Shop" shave with a straight that he has honed?
yeah same with knives, many stones , a lot of money, many knives.
Different combos, of stones work differently for different steels.
I don't know a lot about honing but it seems like you could turn the statement on it's head and say, Use one stone and learn how to hone many razors with it. The Coticule comes to mind.
You know, the more hones I buy and the more strops I paste and the more edges I sharpen, the more I agree with this statement....Quote:
Originally Posted by keenedge
I think eventually, I'm going to end up deciding on maybe 2 different stones for each step in my progression and get rid of the rest.
.....but then again, I may be selfish and just keep them anyway! :w
Sounds as if someone wants your money Jim.Quote:
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I yen for it as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by JMS
Bad pun Lee...I like it!Quote:
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You think? ;) He got a little of it...I'm sure he'll get some more, sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
I think the secret is getting many tattoos.. but it must be from a tattooer who hones many razors and owns dozens of hones ....:hmmm:
Hey! Just send half the money you are about to spend to any one of the honesters here and they will keep your personal razors sharp for life. And, on an as requested basis. Great deal for you.
What will they do with the money? Buy more stones - of course!
LOL
Ray
I disagree. The secret is to "know thy hones". And to know thy hones most effectively one must secure the services of a statistical consultant on an ongoing and indefinite basis to design, collect and analyse your honing data. The friendly and handsome staff at S.C.A.M. (Statistical Consultants and Analytical Measurement) will be more than happy to help you out. Tell them Jimbo sent you, and you will receive a free "I Can't Believe it's Not a Chamois!" valued at over $2!! :) :D
James.
JimR went to the hone shop, and the hone shop guy said "such and such...."
JimR went to the strop shop, and now he's got a Kanoyama 90000!
Jim, I think you best stay out of those shops if youy are a married man.
And would like to stay that way!:)
I'll take one of Jimmy's tattoos and one of his Eschers, please!Quote:
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Mac
There is an old saying "Beware of the man with only one gun!" For good reason; he is probably very good with it. One year after acquiring an 8X3 coticule, I am still learning new ways to hone with it, and getting better and better shaves. How long would it take to learn every nuance of each of hundreds of different hones? Probably more years than I have left! Just my .02.
I dont know much about honing at all, however an experienced hone meister in the UK told me that unless I was restoring old blades (which I have now started to do neway) I would only ever REQUIRE a BBW to TOUCH UP THE EDGE, along side red and green strop paste.
This has worked well for me for about a year, just over in fact.
I feel as though I understand being able to touch an edge up and can do so for both wedges and hollow grinds using different techniques; but I dont by any means understand honing fully, as I have yet to restore an edge from 1000K up.
Honing is like sculpting. You simply remove whatever steel is necessary to reveal the sharp edge that is already within the steel. ;)
I find myself in a similar position. Always looking for new ways to work the steel I have, and new steels to try... which leads to more stones ect...
However I have locked off one side of steel that helps me on my quest. I hate stainless steel so I don't deal with it. All my efforts are going into carbon steel knives and razors.
Some of the big name stones just don't like carbon steel as well as stainless and also the reverse. So finding the right combo can lead to Lots of stones and Lots of steel :) but I'm ok with that :)
Yeah, I'm not overly fond of stainless either. Those that I have shave well, but are just not as comfortable as carbon steel. As for the stones... I hear ya, but I have trouble shelling out the bucks for what are basically just rocks. Even the dog looks at me and says "dude, you spent a hundred bucks on a rock?!? I dig those up free in the back yard." Of course he doesn't understand the subtleties involved with getting a razor shave ready. The highlight of his day is laying down and licking his... well (cough, cough), nevermind about that. Ah well, I suppose if you want to play in the playground, you've got to have the right toys, right? C'est la vie.Quote:
Originally Posted by DwarvenChef
So then, if achieving the ultimate edge on a blade requires purchasing and experimenting with hundreds of dollars worth of "rocks," so be it! I'm okay with that. Really. It's not like I have a problem or anything. I can quit anytime. No, really. It's good. What? C'mon. Why are you looking at me like that. It's fine... really. Sigh....
Hi. I'm Dan and I'm a hone-a-holic!:gaah:
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Originally Posted by radaddict