What do you think of this Escher?

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12-13-2009, 12:10 AM
heirkb

What do you think of this Escher?

Hey,
I just found this Escher today and it suffices to say that I was pretty damn excited. I'm wondering, what type of Escher is this? It's greenish-grayish.
I don't know much about the different types of Eschers and what the differences are (pretty sure they're all polishers, right?), so any help is appreciated. You can see that the surface has some scratches that I can actually feel with my nail. I figure I'll have to lap it, but any tips are appreciated.
Thanks
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12-13-2009, 03:27 AM
IanS

I was under the impression that they are all basically the same thing. Thuringians. Nice pics. Looks like a very lightly used stone.
12-13-2009, 03:32 AM
JimmyHAD

Some of them will have a label on one end with a color designated. Hard to say from a photo what it is but it might be a yellow/green as it looks lighter than a blue/green in the photo. It will be a great finisher whatever color designation it is. IME bona fide Eschers live up to their reputation.
12-13-2009, 03:37 AM
Sandcounty

Lucky dog you. :tu
12-13-2009, 04:27 PM
heirkb

The only issue with the stone is that the scratches are pretty deep (in hone terms), so I'll have to lap it more than I would have wanted to.
My whole body was tingling when I saw it at the antiques market cause I couldn't even believe it. It was just sitting there with the box open
12-13-2009, 05:05 PM
JimmyHAD

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Originally Posted by heirkb

The only issue with the stone is that the scratches are pretty deep (in hone terms), so I'll have to lap it more than I would have wanted to.
My whole body was tingling when I saw it at the antiques market cause I couldn't even believe it. It was just sitting there with the box open

If I had that stone I would put a pencil gird on and lap it flat. If the scratches were still there I would try a razor on it and if I couldn't feel the scratches through the blade I would leave them. My thinking is that if you don't feel them they aren't hurting anything and you'll get through them eventually if you use the stone a lot. Waste not want not. Just my two bits. :)
12-13-2009, 05:42 PM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

If I had that stone I would put a pencil gird on and lap it flat. If the scratches were still there I would try a razor on it and if I couldn't feel the scratches through the blade I would leave them. My thinking is that if you don't feel them they aren't hurting anything and you'll get through them eventually if you use the stone a lot. Waste not want not. Just my two bits. :)

Thank you for the tips. I've already lapped it with the pencil grid method, but it still hasn't gotten rid of all the pencil marks. Some large areas of the stone around the corners were a lot higher than the middle. I can still feel the scratches with my nail, but I'll try a razor on it before going farther than the pencil grid method
12-13-2009, 05:48 PM
Joed

Congrats on a great find! :tu :tu Should be a great finisher. Jimmy is giving good advice, try it after lapping flat and see if you can feel the scratches. Even if you lap the scratches out it will last you a life time and more. Enjoy your new hone!

Aren't antique shop finds just GREAT! :y
12-13-2009, 06:44 PM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by Joed

Congrats on a great find! :tu :tu Should be a great finisher. Jimmy is giving good advice, try it after lapping flat and see if you can feel the scratches. Even if you lap the scratches out it will last you a life time and more. Enjoy your new hone!

Aren't antique shop finds just GREAT! :y

I've been into wetshaving for about a year now (DE's) and I was really getting tired of not scoring anything HUGE at antique shops. I would see threads about coticules, nice brushes, amazing razors, Eschers, NOS Leicas for 15 dollars, etc. and be happy for the person that got it but also jealous cause I could never get one of those myself. Finally happened for me.
I also got 4 really nice razors this weekend too. So yes, antique shops and markets are wonderful! They pay off once if you're persistent about it
12-13-2009, 10:03 PM
0livia

Congratulations! :tu
12-13-2009, 11:29 PM
McWolf1969

That is a beauty and a great find. What dimensions are it, btw.

Many thanks,

Mac
12-14-2009, 02:41 AM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by McWolf1969

That is a beauty and a great find. What dimensions are it, btw.

Many thanks,

Mac

About 10 long by 1.5 wide by 1 thick in inches. Thanks ;)
12-15-2009, 02:50 AM
FatboySlim

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Originally Posted by heirkb

About 10 long by 1.5 wide by 1 thick in inches. Thanks ;)

WOW! Very nice score! I've felt your frustration hunting through antique stores myself, so I know that find must be really satisfying. Congratulations.
12-15-2009, 06:03 PM
Oldengaerde

^ what they said. I'm jealous.
12-15-2009, 09:13 PM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by FatboySlim

WOW! Very nice score! I've felt your frustration hunting through antique stores myself, so I know that find must be really satisfying. Congratulations.

Sooo satisfying. This was the first weekend ever in my life that I've really scored big outside of ebay on things I'm collecting. I got this Escher and 4 really nice straights (two 7/8 W&B, 6/8 Henckels, and a really nice shoulderless/thumb notched Boker)

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Originally Posted by Oldengaerde

^ what they said. I'm jealous.

Been there many times brother. All I can say is that I wish you a lot of luck in antique hunting. It happened for me when I least expected a score. I had already been through the antique market. Then my girlfriend said she wanted to come down and take a look. She took an hour and a half to get there (I was pretty annoyed but that's another story). I took her through the market right as they were closing. I went to this one guy's stand and I kinda know this guy and had just bought a W&B from him earlier in the day. I decided to take a look at his cameras hoping for a nice Leica and I just turned around and in a little corner was this Escher with the box open. I didn't wanna act too excited, but I immediately left the cameras and casually picked up the stone. Gave him the cash and left barely breathing out of excitement. It was pretty intense considering how I NEVER score at antique stores
12-20-2009, 09:24 PM
heirkb

I've been having an issue with lapping this Escher and wanted to know what you guys think before I lap further.
I've noticed that the ends on this hone seem to be lower than the middle. The middle 6 inches are higher up than the two ends. In the right light, you can perfectly see the three areas. One end is low. Then the middle is higher. Then the other end is lower. The stone has unevenness through all this even though I've been lapping it on a flat area. I don't really know how to proceed, since I've done a lot of lapping from what I can tell and don't want to overdo it.
I can't see any decrease in the size of the stone from my lapping and hope to avoid any decrease.
Any tips are appreciated. Thanks
12-20-2009, 09:42 PM
northpaw

How are you lapping it? (i.e. on what surface and with what abrasive)
12-20-2009, 09:50 PM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by northpaw

How are you lapping it? (i.e. on what surface and with what abrasive)

600 grit sandpaper on a flat faux wood counter. I've successfully lapped one other hone and tested to see if it was flat by putting it up against another flat object and looking for any light in between.
12-20-2009, 11:45 PM
JimmyHAD

Just going by my own observations if when honing a person puts a bit of pressure on the heel at the start and then lets up in the middle with no pressure, then a bit of pressure at the point, this ends up wearing the ends of the hone more than the middle. If you are using a pencil grid you'll see that the middle will be lapped away before the ends. Not unusual IME. Try some 325 grit while you're at it. It will go faster.
12-21-2009, 12:36 AM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Just going by my own observations if when honing a person puts a bit of pressure on the heel at the start and then lets up in the middle with no pressure, then a bit of pressure at the point, this ends up wearing the ends of the hone more than the middle. If you are using a pencil grid you'll see that the middle will be lapped away before the ends. Not unusual IME. Try some 325 grit while you're at it. It will go faster.

It's either that, or that it's dished. One of the two and it really is kinda hard to tell.
With my hands, it feels as though it's what you're saying. When checking my grid and my results now, it's clear that more has been sanded off the ends.
So three things are possible:
1. I'm lapping unevenly. Seems hard to do since my surface is flat.
2. The stone just has a lot of weird ups and downs.
3. The stone originally had a lot more work that needed to be done on the ends.
12-21-2009, 12:45 AM
JimmyHAD

I have always lapped in the sink under running water. Is it possible that you have swarf building up and giving you uneven results ?
12-21-2009, 01:02 AM
heirkb

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I have always lapped in the sink under running water. Is it possible that you have swarf building up and giving you uneven results ?

I think so. Since I'm lapping on a flat surface, there is some build up on the sand paper. I'm gonna try again paying a lot of attention to where I place pressure to avoid unevenness in my lapping (if that's even possible). I'll try 350 grit sand paper and rinse more often to see if that'll help.