If I am only looking for a touch-up hone would it be better to buy a Naniwa 12k or a Swaty? I know this is just an opinion question, but I would love some feedback. Also where is the cheapest place to buy a Naniwa 12k if I decide to buy one? Thanks
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If I am only looking for a touch-up hone would it be better to buy a Naniwa 12k or a Swaty? I know this is just an opinion question, but I would love some feedback. Also where is the cheapest place to buy a Naniwa 12k if I decide to buy one? Thanks
Touch up hone? Barber hone
final finishing hone Naniwa 12k.
i hope you know what is a differences between them.
gl
Yes I know the difference, I just saw someone on here was using a Naniwa 12k for touch ups. I have a three line Swaty and was just wondering which one would be better for touch-ups. Thanks
I'm curious myself. I understand a finishing hone is the hone you use at the end of your honing progression before you use the razor, whereas a touch up hone you'd use after you've been using the razor and it's starting to tug.
But why wouldn't your finishing hone be the perfect touch up? Ie isn't touching just "re-finishing" the edge?
Loueedacat,
I think you just bought that Shumate barber hone from me, am I correct in that assumption?
I have given this matter considerable thought. In fact, I have spent hours pondering about it. I have decided unequivocally that the answer is YES......
Have fun,
Lynn
I guess it really depends on what you want to do, as Sham says. If you're just after a touch up stone and will only ever want to touch a razor up then a barber hone should be fine.
If you just want to touch up now but think you're ever going to want to get into honing, then you might as well get the 12k and start building your hone collection now.
Either would work just fine for touch ups though.
I have both but never got round to trying my barber hone. they both will work but which one would give the smoothest edge? any one tryed both ? able to sat which one they preferd?
It is my understanding that most barber hones are around 12K+/-. Your Nani is 12K. Try each of them to see which one gives YOU the best results. Learn your stones, pay attention to the feedback and results they are giving you. This way, you can make decisions based on "what works for you".
Referring back to Hi_Bud_Gl's post, each hone was manufactured to have a specific function. I do not use barber's hones but I do have a bunch. A barber's hone is made to remove metal and provide a reasonable cutting edge. A Naniwa 12k is made to polish an edge to a smooth finish. Using a Naniwa 12k for touch ups will work but take more time than a barber's hone, depending on the wear on the edge when starting to refresh the edge. A barber's hone can and has been used to finish an edge as the one and only hone needed for touch ups before stropping and shaving. If it were able to produce as smooth a finish as the Naniwa 12k I would guess they would be extremely popular.
Coticules were also popular 'barber's hones' because with slurry they removed metal relatively quickly and w/ lather or water alone produced a smooth edge. The learning curve with coticules is much steeper than Naniwa 12k's and Swaty's.
As with everything in life, the devil is in the details.
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Originally Posted by Milkylee
Why do the Coticules have a steeper learning curve?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joed
It's not the "Coticule that has the steeper learning curve it is using the Slurry that does...
Keep in mind the any stone that can create slurry can do the exact same thing.. So yes you can create slurry on the Naniwa 12k and do the same thing as a Coticule I used a Norton 8k to do the same thing, Lynn did a bevel to shave on a Escher, and Sham did it on a Japanese Natural..
There is nothing special about the Coticule, it is learning to use the slurry that takes time... Way back when we used just a Norton 4/8 to do everything and used slurry on the 4k for bad bevels... Oh yeah there is that small pesky problem of wearing out the stone way way faster :)
Barber's hones are a bit different they are designed to be very fast cutters and still give a decent shave...
I am not quite sure where the grit equivalent drops in at but I suspect it is much lower then many believe. The only tests you can use to compare is the shave test and the scratch test.. Shave wise is is pretty hard to guage unless you only have 1-2 razors.. Scratch wise most every one I have tested leaves deeper marks then any finish stone I use.......
Barber hone is also smaller - so it is convenient to keep with your razor(s).
I keep mine in the box with my razors. If I need to touch up the razor it is ready to use.
I can also take my barber hone in my travel kit - around same length as razors and not very wide either.
All the best,
Michael
Before I stumbled on to this cursed web site, I kept my razors "shave ready" using a Reliance barber's hone. Two sided. One side says "Use this side first." Other side says "Finish here." Then stropping. In my ignorance, it worked fine for me until I learned about all the other paraphernalia available. Now I'm not satisfied with anything.
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MEEEEEE toooooo I used a very smooth Arkansas for over 20 years.... But now I am enlightened hehehe :)
Why does enlightenment always seems to cost!! I have been enlightened and not not only do I have to collect razors, but I have to collect brushes and hones.....Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Indeed, increased knowledge often destroys our contended lethargy, awakening us to a whole world of razors that are at least 0.001% sharper than ours, because someone used a stone costing $397 more…
I do like my Naniwa 12K a lot, I gotta say...
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