can somebody confirm this is a charnley forest please
http://yfrog.com/1xdsc02959fj
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can somebody confirm this is a charnley forest please
http://yfrog.com/1xdsc02959fj
can you make pictures smaller please.
No it doesn't look like charnley.
too soft.
was assured it was
Does not look like a charnley to me. More like some kind of slate/shale.
how do you 100% know its a charnley forest?
Charnley Forest:
http://www.strop-shop.co.uk/pub/file..._w600_h600.jpg
BBW:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/attac...nd-bbw-dry.jpg
Thuringian:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/attac...ian-escher.jpg
The top being an archetypal Charnley, the bottom two being examples of hone-grade slates.
ive just lapped it and the slurry was very milky indeed
plus it looks green too
That happens a lot. If a stone is remotely green it will be labeled a Charnley Forest because it's a popular stone. If you don't buy it someone else will. Fortunately such stones can still be interesting. Last Charnley Forest I bought was a Turkey Stone. Yours may turn out to be a Thuringian which are great stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by j1mmyman
Just attach a couple more pictures to help identify your stone. Was it soft and easy to lap like Sham suspected?
Actually, it could be a Charnley. Do you know the dimesions? I have 6 Charnleys, some of them are pictured here. Look at the second one in from the right, it looks very similar.
I can not tell from that picture what type of stone it is, but I also wouldn't rule out that it is a Charnley. Clarity and lighting/true colours are affected considerably by some photography.
Not all Charnleys have red in them and this is a fact.
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Not sure if it helps or hurts with this identification, but here are two shots of a big Charnley I have. A more plain stone God never made, even on a day off. Lighting matters a lot. These were taken in bright light in a homemade light box. In normal room light it looks deep charcoal gray, somewhat like a Thuringian in color (but not at all in texture). It is a very hard stone, and a job to lap or even try to raise any slurry on.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j2...harnley-03.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j2...harnley-04.jpg
Very similar to that second to last one of mine Tim. If you look very carefully with a magnifying glass (or were to lap all sides) I wouldn't be surprised if you found the smallest fleck of orange or red.
the sides are all or were covered in glue as it was in a bottom of a wood box i took it out of there and lapped the top
sides are stilla bit dark
will get some better shots tonight with my nikon ok thanks
This is a very enlarged pic of the surface of a Llyn Idwal hone:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../087/l-i-h.jpg
Very like a CF but not quite as fine a finish. Colour is a drab grey/green (the one in the pic has been wetted and looks darker than it is) and has very faint bands of speckles in it.
Perhaps yours is one of these? I take it that it took a long time and was very hard to lap - the stone should be glassy hard, not like the coticule, thuringian or naniwas that you have.
Regards,
Neil
Didn't you buy this over at B&B as a known thuri? What am I missing here?
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Originally Posted by Harvitz81
ive got one of those too but i want to confirm this cf too
some more pics
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5445/dsc0590t.th.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3...c0590kt.th.jpg
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3...c0591of.th.jpg
It will be most close to Thuringian stone then Charnley.
As i mention early your stone seems like to soft.
Color has nothing to do in find out stone is charnley or not.
charl's colors could be a lot different.
could be olive green, with red lines, with red dots, or without any red dots similar to your stone.
The issues i saw in your early posted pictures was rounding the edge of the stone.
You will have really hard time to round of the charnley edge.You could do it but wont be perfect line. In early picture you had almost perfect rounded edge.
Sorry someone sold it as a Charnley. may be seller didn't know ether?
hope this helps.
As usual, good eye, Sham. I learned from this thread. :tu
Now I'm really confused - Ian at B&B says (over there) that it is the thuringian he sold you???
You still haven't said how easy it was to lap.
Regards,
Neil
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Originally Posted by Neil Miller
not got that yet mate
will compare though to lap it was quite hard and the slurry was real sticky like cream
i used a dmt 325 to lap it
If you bought it from Ian as a Thuringian, I can't for the life of me fathom why you think it is a Charnley... or why, after asking for us to identify it you won't accept the fact that we all think it is a Thuringian...
Is the first pic gone now?
Let's get this straight I have bought a stone off Ian but I have not got this yet I bought this cf gobetween because the person had one cheap so I got it but I want to confirm
OK - that's clear enough for me! It was just Ian saying "...oh that's the thuri I sold you..." or words to that effect that threw me.Quote:
Originally Posted by j1mmyman
I think what you have to do is take that stone outside and get a good, crisp picture of it in normal daylight, so we can see what colour it really is. Also take some pics of the sides and ends well-lit. I thought I could just see some fissures and lamination lines in some of your recent pics, but couldn't be sure.
When you say it was quite hard to lap, have you ever lapped a CF before to compare it to? If it needed any significant lapping we are talking about hours of hard slog.
Regards,
Neil
Only lapped a nani and they are soft this stone did have a defect in the centre which too a few hours to do on a 325 dmt I will get some shots outside ok thanks
I would like to see pics taken outside w/ light illuminating it too. Anyone ever see the movie 2001 w/ the monolith? Thats what a pic will look like of a darker stone taken indoors :-(
will take one this week ok thanks
here is some pics in the daylight let me know what you think boys and girls
there is ians stone next to the cf so let me know what you think
cheers
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8021/stones1.th.jpg
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6938/stones2.th.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3977/stones3.th.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9268/stones4.th.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7960/stones5.th.jpg
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8471/stones6.th.jpg
I doubt it is a Charnley. We've been through this. If it was sold to you as a Thurry, then the chances are it is a Thurry. End of.
Charnleys have the slightest degree of translucency to the surface as though the markings have a third dimension to them.
You need to hone on it and see what it can do.
Jimmy - Ian's thuringian is on the right in the upright pics and underneath in the horizontal pics, right?
Still doesn't look like a CF to me. Have you honed a razor on both stones? Does the one you think is a CF get a better edge than the known thuringian?
If you haven't done so already, lap the thuringian a bit - does it appear to be softer than the other stone and easier to lap?
Regards,
Neil
If the dark one is a Thuringian I think the other one might be some kind of slate, but definately not a Charnley Forest, because the stone looks opaque. I hope I'm wrong though.
thats correct mate it does look alot greener thought than the thurryQuote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Like Piet said and I stated earlier; All CFs have a degree of translucency to them and this is opaque.
Just because it is green does not make it a CF. I have a couple of unknown green stones which are definitely not CFs. Chances are you have a species of slate.
For some reasons I can not open all the pictures but from what I have seen I can say.
The lighter coloured stone could be CF. If you look near the chip near to one of the narrow side there is small crack line which to me shows so called translucency. The same think in my book shows that it is not a slate.
In past I had CFs which would not improve edge from my Thurri.
The best thing would be to compare face to face with others. One of such occasions could be London Razorcon in November. There should be enough CFs and philistines to discuss and compare it with.
+1 to what adrspach said. It is very hard to judge the translucency, especially given that the hone has been lapped to 325 and you can still see some of the residue trapped in the little nicks and crevices - that tends to give most hones a matt appearance. Flooding it with water and taking another pic would help (being careful to avoid reflections) - making a tent out of white sheet would cut out reflections and mute the sunlight (if we get anymore sun!) or taking the pics on an overcast but bright day. Exposure and colour temperature would have to be pretty spot on though.
I have also had largely featureless drab green CFs which didn't show much translucency, but the glassy nature could be seen where they had fractured and split shards off.
The Idwall stones are drab green and subtly speckled, but no red or black spots, just darker blue/green ones, and the edge isn't really much of an improvement over a very good thuringian - perhaps keener, but not as smooth.
It's a pity the damn thing can't talk...!
Regards,
Neil
i wish it could talk neil
here is a coupe more pics but it was ****ing down
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7995/stone22.th.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5470/stone11.th.jpg
Thanks for all the pics j1mmyman. This thread has been informative for this n00b (me)
I thought this was a Charnley, someone else said it could be either that or a Lynn Idwall...improves the edge left by an Escher and is very like a Charnley. 9'' x 1.8'', but only 4-5mm thick out of its box..
An interesting one nonetheless, and has translucency..
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I was watching a UK only Charnley Forest auction at Ebay (260749242890) with lousy pictures and just realized it was this stone up for sale. It went for £82. Someone will be disappointed for receiving what I believe to be slate.
i saw this stone too, i dont think a charnley either. I have spoken with the seller quite a few times on the phone now regarding all the stones he sells. he is a nice guy but he knows fine well what he is selling, hes a bit sneaky about it
Are you sure you're not talking about Lyn D, you said you talked with him on the phone.
