i ordered a norton 4k/8k and a 12k from woodcraft. i've got a bunch of india stones. do i need to spend the whipout on a 1k or can i use an india stone for bevel setting?
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i ordered a norton 4k/8k and a 12k from woodcraft. i've got a bunch of india stones. do i need to spend the whipout on a 1k or can i use an india stone for bevel setting?
You're off to a good start. The answer to your question is, it depends. FOr the longest time I just had the Norton 4/8 and did fine. I was able to create bevels but it took a bit longer than it would have on a 1k. What really depends is your budget and the number of razors you will be getting off ebay and local shops. For new razors the 4k is as low as you want to go. Lots of local finds and ebay purchases and wedges/semi wedges may prompt you to get a 1k. If the budget is a constraint work with what you have. After a few months or more you will know if you need the 1k. Yo are starting off with a good set of hones and won't be causing too much damage as quickly as if you had the 1k. I was using a rough oil stone also before I got the 1k. Bottom line is time is money. If you spend the money on the 1k and hone a lot of used razors needing attention you will save time. If you are just honing several razors a month you can save the money and invest a bit more time.
Good luck.
i'm not going to be getting rad, i hope. i have way too much stuff as it is. i just want to get a moderate number of razors and am almost there. i recently honed a hollow ground block plane blade to a flat bevel, and when people here talk about removing a lot of metal, i don't think it's approaching the amount i had to hone off that plane blade and that was totally manageable. i also once ground and polished a 6" mirror for a telescope and that was a lot of work. i figure after a certain learning curve i can do this. i've already gotten into making scales and learning how make rivets. this is fun.
there's a 1k on amazon for 25 bucks. that's not bad, if it's a good stone. i paid 106 bucks for the two stones from woodcraft.
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Very much depends what you wish to do, and then it would depend on your other stones and how much you know how to use them.
I once read than not having a 1K (or equivalent, I use an 800 King) is like having one testicle; if you are setting bevels.
Of course it can be done on a 4K or a BBW and many other hones, but why make life difficult?
Sometimes I go lower than 800 if there are small chips.
i just read that the 12k needs to be lapped before use. what can i use to do this in the absence of a diamond plate? Scrub it back and forth on a cinder block?
Before I picked up a DMT 8C, their 325-grit continuous diamond Course plate, I used wet/dry sandpaper on a flat surface and was always very happy with the results. Pick up a few sheets of 325 and 600 grit and spare yourself the horror of destroying your hone on a cinder block. YouTube is filled with all sorts of videos showing you how to do it.Quote:
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i have a piece of plate glass, and the auto parts store is right down the street, but c'mon, there's got to be a way to make this complicated.
You could get an electron microscope to more accurately measure the flatness after lapping but that is totally optional. :wQuote:
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don't tell me that. i'll head right to the library to get a book on how to make one and save a few bucks. when My Favorite Martian was on tv in the 60's Ray Walton made a laser with a slide projector. My parents were in the other room and my father said to my mother, wait, listen... and sure enough, I said, let's make one! there was a place in my town that made ruby rods and a buddy and i went to scope one out, but it was 800 1965 dollars, so that project never got off the ground. now you can buy laser pointers at hardware stores for 2 bucks. i have a trend of getting wacky ideas and following through to a point, and then losing interest. Hence the telescope where I could see the splashes on Jupiter from the comet which nows sits in a corner, and the 5-ton brick oven which gets fired once a year for pizza. that's why i can't go crazy with razors and hones. adult ADD and all that. got to keep a lid on some things. time will tell
the stone were just delivered and i lapped the combo on 220 grit wet/dry on a piece of plate glass. also chamfered all the edges. there was a small chip on the 4k side. the 12k was minute chips on the vertical edges, so i chamfered them too. the combo is soaking right now. should i soak the 12k? maybe later i'll get to try and shave. got everything i need. razors, (pending a sharpening), soap, strop, band-aids. good to go.
There are some important unknowns here. Do you have a "Shave ready" razor to compare your work to? If you have no experience with straight razor shaving, then all your attempts will be for naught. You will never know when it is shave ready which is the final honing test if you don't know what it is suppose to shave like.Quote:
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no, i don't have a shave ready to compare it to. i figure if i can shave with it, it's ready. and all i have to say about that after the last hour's activity...you can call me Sweeney.
there's too much going on around the house today to try and hone a razor in a reflective and contemplative fashion the activity obviously deserves. we had new furniture delivered, everything is out of place, i'm going from one thing to the next, and i need to not charge ahead with this. oops, too late, i already did, and it didn't work. it'll come. No one ever taught me how to make the telescope mirror, or sourdough bread, and at my my job, i was known as The Bread God.
edited to add: you're absolutely right. while i still have the packaging from my last $8.50 ebay find right here, i should package up the Red Point 917 and ship it off.
I read a book about archetypes recently and was a little distraught to find that none of mine were included. we all have them, but you have to do a little introspection to get beyond what was in the section where you were supposed to pick yourself out. There was no entry for the Smart-Ass or the Know-It-All.