I love my Naniwas, 1K-3K-8K-12K
But I've wondered if a higher-grit stone would bring more out of my edges. I also know the Shapton 16K is part of a whole system of honing.
So...can you do a Naniwa progression and then finish on the Shapton 16K?
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I love my Naniwas, 1K-3K-8K-12K
But I've wondered if a higher-grit stone would bring more out of my edges. I also know the Shapton 16K is part of a whole system of honing.
So...can you do a Naniwa progression and then finish on the Shapton 16K?
Why not, it's a higher grit isn't it....? What your asking is if you can mix stones, and Yes, you can...After the 12k, You can go to a J nat, A shapton16k, Diamond Pastes, a Charnely I guess, I dont' have one of those yet...I've done it. The shapton 16k has quite a different feel to it. You can acutally feel it suck the blade to the stone, at least mine does...Soooo, You have full blown HAD now...:roflmao
I don't have the glass stones but I do have the shapton pro 15 and 30k. Generally I've stayed with the naniwas up to the 12k but have also gone through the series of shapton pros to the high grits. As the kids say, "it's all good", but on the other hand, I'm satisfied with the edge I get off of the 12k. Lately it has been natural finishers for me so either the coticule and/or the Escher. All of this honing stuff boils down to you'll never know until you try. :)
Same here, I've been finishing with the Escher, I'm waiting to try Glen's system, Every blade I have is shave ready...Damm the bad luck....
Jimmy, If you want to try the Shapton 16k, let me know, I'll send it down....
Thanks for the offer Rich but I am happy with what I have. If you sent it down and I liked it I'd have to buy one .....:rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by zib
I completely understand JimmyHAD.....:roflmao
I am sorry to say. NO.
in short words 16k will not improve 12k naniwa edge.
hope this helps.
Sham, why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
Edge would have chips and you will have very harsh shave .
I sold my shapton 16K because I hated the edge it gave, it's all a matter of personal preference but I think I will stick with natural stones when I move up to such high grits. I also asked Lynn and Glenn when I first got the Shapton 16 about using it after the naniwa 12K and I think they BOTH said it won't improve the edge much because the shapton 16K is close to the naniwa 12K, at least I remember Lynn saying that to me.
Sham is right too, the edge is very harsh, I agree with his opinion.
You guys just ruined some peoples day. :rofl2:
if you want finer than 12k , may be an Escher or a nice Jnat is worth a try.
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Originally Posted by mainaman
This is the only thing I would bother doing...
Good advice.
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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Maybe they will save more money for beautiful stones like Eschers instead! :beer2:
...It's all Sham's fault, I plead not guilty! LOL
I read somewhere that Naniwa and Shapton rate their stones differently, and in reality the 12k and 16k are virtually around the same grit. If this is true then there is likely no reason to move to the Shapton after the Naniwa.
I do have the Naniwa 12k and have been happy with the edges I get off of it, so I took the Shapton 16 off my list of gear to buy.
I still find the Shapton Glass 16K comparable to the Naniwa 12K from a results stand point. Very much a personal preference when using either set up. Now, for me, the fun is still experimenting with my Escher, Asagi and Ohzuku following another finish stone and so far when doing this including differentiating with slurries and water, I haven't found enough difference in the results. I will throw my Coticules into the mix on occasion, but the buzz here is way beyond anything I can feel in the shave. Still a viable alternative. There are some definite differences following the 8K and when using pastes and sprays, but that is a story for another day........:)
Have fun guys,
Lynn
I agree I wouldn't add a Shapton 16k after a Naniwa 12k either...
Well what do you know! A consensus emerges, agreement!
And I save some cash by not chasing the Shaptons....
Sadly, it just means I have to develop even better technique on the stones I have...
...it's more fun to order stuff...
Bingo! :gl:Quote:
Originally Posted by LawsonStone
Insightfull and wise!Quote:
Sadly, it just means I have to develop even better technique on the stones I have
There is nothing else left to say. A GS 16k is a nice finisher, as is the Naniwa 12k.
Both are no "ultimate" finishers, but very good ones.
If you really wanted to add to the 12k finish (and we´re talking nuances here)
you might have to work your way into super expensive naturals or super expensive synthetics like Shapton 30k.
Have you tried diamond or chromium oxide on felt or linen to improve the 12k´s edge?
Maybe that´ll do the trick and give you that last 10 per cent
Would the same hold true for following the 12K Chinese stone with the 16 K Shapton? (I hone with a Norton 4K and a Norton 8K).
Dave
It seems to me that we are in danger of not heeding advice given so often in the past with regards to hone progressions - doubling (or close to it) of grit size. In other words the 16k would fit in after an 8k, and if you already finish with a 12k your options are limited to stones around 24k - 30k.
As you get closer to the final stone, the law of diminishing returns sets in - there is a change, for sure, but nothing like the leap you experience at the coarser end of the scale.
A 4k difference between 12k and 16k is so small it is like doing twice as many laps as necessary on the same hone, hence the risk of micro-chipping, attenuating the edge and getting a horrible shave. Having both hones is a bit pointless.
The 16k shapton in its proper place in a properly thought out progression is an excellent hone.
Regards,
Neil
I agree, no point in adding the 16k in at all as it wont add anything extra to the edge.
What I would do, if you want to further refine your edge, is look towards some of the natural stones like Eschers, CF or a Japanese stone. They will improve that 12k edge but are expensive as well, so its really up to you.