is this a charnely forest hone?!

Hi Folks

Im only new so be gentle!

I have been reading up on the forum for a while now but the bug has bitten so i have been doing a lot of snooping around for stones and thought i had hunted out a charnely forest and a whittle hill (is this even a stone???)

anyway, i took the plunge on ebay and bought two, and they werent that cheap so ive either been stung for two duff stones or hopefully one of them is a charnley and it was worth it!!

anyway, on with the pictures

the bottom stone in the first picture is obviously the one im talking about.
it could do with a real lapping as its very uneven!!

i dont really want to buy any more stones to do this but can it be done with anything else???

it is very hard and very smooth and has obviously seen a lot of use over the years, anyones input would be greatly appreciated

when i ground it a bit of another old stone it came up quite creamy in but then i had a go sharpening a knife and it went black pretty quickly??:thinking:

i think it looks quite like these ones in the threads:

Mystery green hone. - Straight Razor Place Forums

http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ey-forest.html

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6222/img2270001.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3913/img2271001.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6373/img2272001.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8759/img2273001.jpg


http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9860/img2275001.jpg

this would be the bottom, very uneven and a real mess

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4615/img2276001.jpg

wow
tough one.
i would say it is not CF.
Most likely close to thuringian then CF

hi_bud_gl has had way more of them than I've had but I was thinking it is a Charnley. I thought I saw the characteristic purplish coloring in the gray/green . The odd dimensions are also characteristic of the old UK Charnleys if I'm not mistaken. Did it come from the UK ?

You can lap it with wet/dry sandpaper on a countertop, ceramic tile or other flat surface. A DMT diamond plate D8C 325 is what I use but the sandpaper (325) works well too. Here is a tutorial on the process.

thanks for the input folks, keep it coming!

well im honestly not sure, it seems to resemble the ones in other threads and like i said, its VERY smooth and hard but it does need a good lap to help sort it out too

might have a go tonight with some rough sand paper and see how i get on with it

yep came from uk ebay of all places!

it is fairly strange in shape, very thin about 5/8 inch thick and about 9 inches long

its hard to tell just how good it is a hone since it isnt level yet too

my pictures might not be great too

if it is a thungrian is that a good stone?!

I had it in my watch list. It was a UK only auction otherwise I would have bid on it. I am convinced it is a CF, I actually posted the link in chat 30 mins before the end.

Not that cheap? Any cheaper and it was free lol. I was green with envy, congrats!

Could you take some pics of the other side? Maybe in daylight too of both sides?

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Originally Posted by Piet

I had it in my watch list. It was a UK only auction otherwise I would have bid on it. I am convinced it is a CF, I actually posted the link in chat 30 mins before the end.

Not that cheap? Any cheaper and it was free lol. I was green with envy, congrats!

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well i hope it is too! bit gutted if it isnt, as i bought this and another one that definitely isnt!

thanks though and lets hope it is, ill try and lap it up tonight and get some more pictures though!

the last picture is off the other side so if you look again you will see both sides of the stone

ill do the pencil grid and get lapping!

My mistake .sorry. I guess a corner was glued back on? I was going by the crack.

The amount of fissures/cracks in it (if that is what they are - hard to tell given the lighting) and the drab colour make it look a bit like a Turkey oilstone - just as desirable as a CF in my book!

Regards,
Neil

Since they were quarried in the UK, with the Whittle Hill Quarry stones said to be the best, the possibility that it is a Charnley increases. Also the size and the wooden box. Neil knows them well too so it may be a Turkey. In the same old literature that sings the praises of the Whittle Hill stones we read that the Turkey stone was the one the knowledgeable honers desired the most. Whatever it may be when you begin to use it you'll find out whether it was worth the $$. :)

it does look like there's cracks but its just the veins running through it, the stone is solid and all one piece thankfully

i have been lapping it on a very smooth tile with 240 grit wet and dry and its getting there, cant wait to see what its like when its fully lapped!!

well lets hope its something good

heres my progress so far anyway....

comments please :hmmm:

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3692/img2280.jpg

Best way to tell is with a Razor!

It does look a lot like Neil's Turkey Oilstone, without having one like his I'm not sure if I can tell the difference.

I would have started with 120 grit sanding mesh or sanding paper but you're getting there.

trust me i would have used something heavier but i only had 240 in wet and dry and didnt want to even think about using standard sandpaper! :D ah well, its taking ages but the final surface should be immense, the areas that are now flat feel fantastic, easily smoother than my 8k norton (well so i think, maybe its placebo!?)

Just think this time tomorrow you can move you to 600 grit.

nearly finished now!!

well i finished lapping around 1am eventually and jeez it was hard work!

finish is pretty impressive though and gave my dovo a bit of a hone on it and it certainly felt very sharp, didnt strop it though as im still waiting on mine! (cardinal sin there sorry gents!)

but had a go at shaving with it and it felt pretty good, certainly as good as coming of my 8k norton if not better!

ill try and get a picture up again of the finished item, might help identify it too

we are waiting for the new pics?
please?

Pistol I hope that your hone ends up being a fine finisher wherever it is from. Just curious tho, the other hone pictured looks like one I have do you have any info on it? The one I have is very hard and seems to be a higher grit for polishing.

Thanks Peter B:gl:

That stone has a lot of character.

My bit to the bunch.
I think it is not CF (75% sure too many thick lines) certainly not from Wittle hill. I am looking forward to see those finished pictures.

thanks for input, i've been hoping we can get to the bottom of this stone!

heres another picture of it in the finished state after i lapped it, very very smooth, and its certainly as smooth as the norton 8k if not higher but its hard to tell


i tried to leave the left side wet to show the colour a bit better

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8868/img2281y.jpg

any more thoughts on it?

i do agree that i dont think its a charnley forest, thats pretty certain now but still not sure what it is!

have only tried it with water though so maybe some oil might be the next thing and see how it goes, its very very hard though!!!

Thank you for the pics. I say no it is not CF. However it is beautifull and if it is so fine you are still the winner. Congratulations. I am thinking more about Turkey (cracks and shapes of chips on the edge)as Neil said before.
What you have experienced I am experiencing quite often when a ball of gunk is in your eyes CF untill you lap it and then you see that it is something completely different. And then people are surprised that prices of CFs go through the roof.

i would agree, its not a charnley but would be good to know what it is!

might end up putting it up for sale though as i would ideally like a charnley, i have 5 stones here and i think i have a few that overlap so ideally id like some seperation in the grades

ill try it with oil and take it from there but has anyone any more thoughts?:confused:

What are the dimensions? If previously posted I apologize I could not find them.

Pretty cool stone!

There's definately a risk involved when trying to find Charnleys, but this is not a bad outcome. My last arrival was a 10" Washita, it looked green in the picture :D

its 2" by 9" by about 5/8 thick, maybe slightly thicker

hard to find any information on it though, slightly frustrating

found this page and it seems to have some similar pictures and info that seem to be very similar to what mine sounds like so im beginning to think escher or thuringian!?

http://www.timbertools.com/Products/...ng-stones.html

Did you write before that lapping it was slow and tedious process? If yes then I doubt it is either Escher or Thuri as they are much softer.

The Eschers and Thuringians at Timbertools aren't even the real thing so I wouldn't try to compare this stone to those. There are a lot of Escher pictures at this forum and they are easy to find :)

Imo it doesn't look anything like Thuringians. Still looks somewhat like a CF, but not enough to be one. It does look much more like the before mentioned Turkey Neil has for sale. Also a lot of useful information at that page.

If it is a Turkey like Neil's it could be ideal to use prior to a fine finisher.

Hardness will make you think about Turkey oils stone.
This stone is too thin to be a Turkey oil stone.
As i mention in my first post it is not CF.
Now you mention it is hard to lap . this puts out option thuringian or escher stones.
Lastly it could be some unknow to us stone.
The best way to handle your situation is test the stone see what happens.
hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by adrspach

Did you write before that lapping it was slow and tedious process? If yes then I doubt it is either Escher or Thuri as they are much softer.

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its really hard and i used plenty of wet and dry lapping it, probably 6 sheets at least and i worked each one til they were really dead

and the search continues but thanks for all the good info so far everyone, very helpful!:)

looking at that picture of the turkey oil stone and reading the information, it sounds very very like it in terms of slurry and the look of the stone.

i dont think ill ever get to the bottom of it really but i think from what ive read and seen, a turkey oil stone is what im going for!

Don't despair. One of the Razorcons is a great oportunity to show it to people in flesh and it is best way how to recognise it.

Congrats on a great looking stone. I can only hope that it is a CF for your sake. Perhaps it wil turn out to be a valuable stone afterall. The best thing to do it hone with it and see what kind of edge it giives you. Good luck!