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I was told that this hone is the same as the Escher under another brand name. Is this true? I received the hone new so I started to lap it to see the true color which I will describe as a blue-gray. I'll enclose some pics - would appreciate if anyone can give me some info on it. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Zomax
They are just as good as escher hones, although they take more work because of their size, use a lot of laps. I own one and an Escher, they're both the same as each other as far as fineness.
I'm not an expert, but I have one exactly like yours. These 5x1 stones are acknowledged to be Thuringian water hones. Escher was a brand/distributor of Thuringians, possibly of select quality, but still Thurry stones.
It is a fine finisher, giving superlative edges to some razors, shaveable edges to most any blade. As a finisher, I'd rate it as some finer than my best coti finishers, on a par with my Nakayamas. Throw a towel over them.
Good find.
Hey Steve, it looks like mine only yours looks way bigger. You suck. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zomax
This Wiki article credits Escher as making the CGWS:
Escher Hones - Straight Razor Place Wiki
Also, read this thread:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ater-hone.html
Not that you asked, but the bay recently had a 5X3 go for over $300, so again, you officially suck.
Really great finisher. Nice find!
I don't think the one in the post is big, the old Thuringians in those wooden boxes are always the same 1X5 size from what I have seen.
I recall in the past a couple people buying them off of ebay and being completely shocked at their size when they showed up in the mail. I suspect the transition off a Norton might take some adjustment for a beginner!
They tend to be very good hones.
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Originally Posted by Disburden
Do you guys think the size indicates they may be good to use sink-side, if the smoothness of the shave is falling off? I've never done this, I just strop some more, but I'm all about options. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Yes, you can use an Escher/Thuringian for touchups. They work well for that. You can start with 10 to 20 strokes and then strop and shave. You may need to repeat that the next day if the shave is still not up to snuff. You may need more strokes. Just experiment and make sure it doesn't fall off the sink.
It looks just like a thurington I recieved not long ago, it was only 1 in x 5 in , I personally did not care for working with such a narrow stone. What size is that hone.
Ouch!:cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopian
Honestly, I only wrote that because mbaglio100 asked if it would be good to use "sink-side." I only thought of you AFTER I wrote that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoki
All the thuringian stones I have seen in those cases are the same 1X5 size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando
Narrow stones are actually very good for handling warped or smiling blades.
When I use mine I build a slurry from my DMT on it and then use it, I like my Eschers with a slurry same goes with Thuri stones. I use more laps than 10 or 20. Test and see what is best for you, there's no real rules of the hone with these old rocks.
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Hmmmm Ya know I read that so many times in the early days I have a set of Nortons 220/1/4/8 cut in half that I split with another restorer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Disburden
I used it maybe 4 times, I honestly have never seen any advantage or disadvantage to the width of any hone... Excepting anything under about 1 inch, I think that would be a disadvantage..
I got into a heated argument with somebody about this very thing on another forum and actually used both sizes in a Vid with a Magic Marker test proving that a thin hone and an accomplished X stroke do the exact same thing on the edge... (No I did not post it I was in full SA mode hehehe)
Has anyone else actually tested this theory?????
Glen,
Gary Haywood, a member here and on coticule.be has been cutting his coticules into very thin stones lately and experimenting with the results. Maybe he can chime in on the topic of narrow hones, there's a lot of talk about it over there too. I, personally, have only used narrow hones on warped blades a few times but I felt I had more control holding the hone and"pushing" the edge in certain sections than when I use my big stones. I know you usually go two handed on a bench size stone until finishing.
It can be all in my mind, ya know? I am not good on these scientific proof thingies. Lol
I have repeatedly told people an easy strategy for obtaining a DIY narrow hone for smiling razors, so here I go again...Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Take your three inch wide hone, a ruler, and a marker. Draw a line down the hone to demarcate a 1 inch wide region. You now have a 1" narrow hone.
Just hone only on the 1" region. The same stroke you will have to use to maintain contact on the real 1" hone is exactly the same stroke you will have to use to maintain contact on your faux 1" hone.
I like narrow hones for very smily blades. Especially when I find that large part of the bevel on heel or toe end of the edge does not touch the hone. I have a couple of narrow Thuris. They work for me.
This may all change with the narrow hone though since seeing that Swooping stroke in the video, Glen. :mace:
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Originally Posted by Utopian
I tend to agree Ron, I am not saying the thin hones are bad or good I just think there is no advantage or disadvantage either way...
What started the "discussion" on the other forum is when somebody said "You need a thin hone to hone a warped edge" I of course said "No you need the correct stroke on a 3 inch hone" which is what the guy had, it went downhill from there...
So in that context I would say that use the hone in your hand, wide or thin, it can work just as well either way...
I think that the thing with narrow hones for smiling/warped blades started because, when you have a hone that narrow, you have to pay a lot more attention to keeping the part of the razor that is on the hone totally flat. When the blade is smiling, this forces you to do the slight rolling motion (or whatever you want to call it if you don't like "rolling") that is required to hone a smiling blade. When the blade is warped, this forces you to do the "honing off the edge of the hone" stroke that gets into the concave part of the blade which is necessary for the concave side of a warped razor.
In short - a narrow hone makes you compensate for a smile or warp without you thinking about it as compensating for the smile or warp.
But once you KNOW how to deal with a smile or a warp and you consciously do what you need to do to adjust for it, the width of the hone is totally irrelevant (just as Ron and Glen have said above).
So it's not really incorrect to say that a narrow hone is good for or makes it easier to hone a smiling or warped blade, it's just not the full story.
At least that's how I see it.
My experience, a narrow hone does not really help much with problematic blades. As Dylan stated I find that a narrow stone will help being more careful with the sroke, but for me that is all it does.
I hone everything on regular size hones, and only occasionally go to narrow side of my norton 1k, and a coticule.
I have one of those 1x5 thuris and although it gives very good edges I do not like the narrow size.
I recently purchased a "Crest Brand Water Hone" from a member here. It is 6 X 2", Otherwise, it is identical to the ubiquitous "Celebrated" 5 X 1 hones -- same wooden box, same hinge, same clasp (I have one of those, too).
Haven't tried it yet. It is lighter than my Celebrated -- gray-green(?). I suspect it is from the same source. Anyone else have one of these?
Pics? I have seen Tam o Shanter stones in these cases too on ebay...Quote:
Originally Posted by pcb01
nice find on that stone!
It's not a ToS. First, macro- and microscopically it has a very uniform (not speckled) appearance. Second, the label in the box is similar to the Celebrated Thurry label. Third, I finished an Eagle Brand razor on it over the weekend, and shaved with it this morning. The "feel" of the edge and sharpness was identical to my Celebrated Thurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disburden
Interestingly, the slurry is unusual -- "speckled" might be a good adjective. You can see the bits of stone in the water, kind of like the gold leaf in the bottom of that liquor they sell as "goldschlager" or something like that (not as large, of course).
I know how you gents are about honep**n -- I'll see if I can get a picture up this weekend.
Here, just for your knowledge. Here's a lot I'm hopefully acquiring Thursday if all goes well. Certainly larger than 1x5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disburden
If it says E&S on the trophy cup you have an Escher.
It sure does. E&s9 it looks like that's a good thing than eh? First time hone buyer here. Was just trying to look up info on it and came across this while I was looking. I know the swaty is a good barber hone as well. And I'm not positive what the thin one is yet. I'll keep you posted on if I win it, but it's local and not much interest yet. So I'm thinking I'm getting them at a steal.lol
Nice! be sure and report back. I don't believe I've ever seen one with that type of label&box that was larger than 5"x1". Looks to be nice and thick too
The wording in the cup neither says E&S nor E&s9. It means E&Co and the hone was distributed by the company Escher&Co. So a real Escher stone. E&Co and Escher&Son have been two completely different companies from midlle of the 19th century as I explained several times elsewhere. Both delivered "Escher" stones though.
Ah alright, and yea I could see it sais E&C(?).. I couldn't make it out by the pic just looked like a 9 to me. I'll post some updated picks Thursday when I pick them up. They're all good stones here in the lot tho eh? I can't see what the little thin one is.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzicho
I have one of these little 5x1 thury having also the chance to have labelled Escher hones over the years .
I am very impressed with my 5x1 there is no doubt they leave a very soft smooth edge when used , I love mine and I think there as good as any Escher I have had and sold .