Which Shapton for bevel setting

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03-02-2011, 07:29 PM
Kees

Which Shapton for bevel setting

I am looking for a bevel setting hone. Apart from many natural hones I only have the 1500 and 5K Shapton fron this range: Japanese Waterstones: Shapton

Which one would you recommend as a coarser hone: 120, 220 or 320?
03-02-2011, 07:43 PM
ace

I would recommend trying bevel setting with your 1500 instead of going lower in grit rating. Going down to 320 creates a lot of work for you later in the process. I've had good results setting bevels with 4K.

If you have a damaged blade, you could consider dropping to a 1K stone, but I rarely touch mine anymore.
03-02-2011, 07:43 PM
Neil Miller

Kees - depends on how many razors you hone and how much you like lapping hones to some degree. I have tried the sub 1000 grit shaptons and they dish very quickly - the 600 grit one dishes noticeably before you have finished using it.

The chosera range isn't that expensive for below 1000 grit (and that stone is a good fast bevel-setter), and they are quite a bit harder. I tend to stick around 600 most of the time - if I have to go below that its a diamond plate.

Regards,
Neil
03-02-2011, 07:52 PM
JimmyHAD

I'm with Neil on the diamond plate. If it is below 1k that is where I go and rarely unless there is a deep chip to remove. The 1k Chosera is my latest and probably last bevel setter. Lynn and Dylan both recommended it and I'm very happy with the speed and cut of the Chosera. Don't know about the coarser grits since it is the DMT for me with those.
03-02-2011, 07:57 PM
Kees

@ace,

For some chips it takes ages with the 1500. I use little pressure even when removing chips. Every so often I cannot resist the temptation to use a little pressure and almost always I have come to regret it.
03-02-2011, 08:01 PM
Kees

To all,

I would have liked to have one from the Shapton range but if they dish that much I need to consider a different low grit hone. Whatever coarse hone it is, please no hone that has to be soaked like the Norton. I'll look into the Chosera and DMT.
03-02-2011, 08:15 PM
Utopian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

The chosera range isn't that expensive for below 1000 grit (and that stone is a good fast bevel-setter), and they are quite a bit harder. I tend to stick around 600 most of the time - if I have to go below that its a diamond plate.

This is my approach as well. I use the Chosera 600 and 800 for bevel setting, then follow with a Shapton Pro and then the Naniwa SS just to "acclimate" the edge to the Naniwas.
03-02-2011, 08:28 PM
hi_bud_gl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

I am looking for a bevel setting hone. Apart from many natural hones I only have the 1500 and 5K Shapton fron this range: Japanese Waterstones: Shapton

Which one would you recommend as a coarser hone: 120, 220 or 320?

None of those .
I think it is too aggressive.
i wouldn't go below 1k level while i hone straight razors.
hope helps.
03-02-2011, 08:41 PM
VeeDubb65

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

None of those .
I think it is too aggressive.
i wouldn't go below 1k level while i hone straight razors.
hope helps.

+1

Anything much lower than 1k should be reserved for grinding out large chips and re-shaping a blade.
03-02-2011, 08:52 PM
Kees

@ hi_bud_gl and VeeDubb65,

How do you remove the little chips that are just visible to the naked eye? It takes me more than an hour to get rid of them on the 1.5K Shapton. Any suggestion as to a faster but not too aggressive hone?
03-03-2011, 08:26 AM
mrsell63

KEES

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

@ace,

For some chips it takes ages with the 1500. I use little pressure even when removing chips. Every so often I cannot resist the temptation to use a little pressure and almost always I have come to regret it.

__________________________________________

I agree with your philosophy regarding pressure. It took me a long time to grasp the concept of NO pressure when honing.

I bevel set with Naniwa 1k or Shapton 1k or Norton 1k. Then I say three Hail Marys and hope it comes out right!!! :gaah:

If all else fails, I email Sham !!!
03-03-2011, 09:04 AM
hi_bud_gl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

@ hi_bud_gl and VeeDubb65,

How do you remove the little chips that are just visible to the naked eye? It takes me more than an hour to get rid of them on the 1.5K Shapton. Any suggestion as to a faster but not too aggressive hone?

i have never used 1.5 shapton.
i know 1k shapton will take visible chips less then 5 minutes.
Kees don't be afraid of using a little pressure while you are on 1k level.
hope this helps.
03-03-2011, 12:39 PM
Stubear

My main bevel setter is also the Chosera 1k, with the 325 DMT as a back up for edge repair.

Then I'll move over onto either the 1k Shapton and go up that set, or the 1k Naniwa and go up that set.

A 1k hone should be fine to remove little chips that are no wider than the bevel. If the chip is as wide as or wider than the bevel then I'd drop to the 325.

But the 325 is too aggressive for normal bevel setting IMO. Thats kinda the nuclear option! :D
03-04-2011, 12:31 AM
Kingfish

One of the many things I like about Shaptons Pros is their low grit increments starting from 1k for razors. If the 2k is not aggresive enough I drop to 1.5k and if that is too slow for tough jobs I will start off the 1k. The 1k is a very fast stone and might even use tape at first. It stays flat for a reasonable time too.