another stone from max at jns . this is a stone i'll use on the road enjoy!
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another stone from max at jns . this is a stone i'll use on the road enjoy!
I have one on my way as well, it will be a nice little finisher!
Ozuku must be very hard. Something like 5 out of 5.
Some are even more, I have one that is more than 5Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelenbakh
I met different measurements; out of 3, out of 5, out of 10. But frankly speaking with jnat like with woman. You'll never know until you try. Only with jnat you never regret trying.
yes I am talking in the system Maksim uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelenbakh
I don't trust all these systems. Mainly due to two reasons; western people pay too much attention to hardness of jnats, to HGAL, forgetting that there are other very important qualities of stone; second reason - jnat characteristics are changeable, you can easily increase or decrease grit power of jnat. Approximately 3 months back I made experiment with one jnat which originally was Nakayama Nashiji, hardness 4-. Within 3 weeks I used the stone every day with growing progression of nagura stones. Japanese top grit nagura is around 20K grit. I used as nagura one local stone uvarovit, which is extremely hard, it can cut class. In hardness this stone is not much less than diamond but approx. like granate jem. Lapping of such stone costed me a diamond plate, it was completely worked out, but the stone became usable.
My experiment was very simple. One week I used growing progressions of Japanese nagura stones. After that I shifted to my local hard stone. I don't want to take your time with all descriptions. Want to tell the result. After two weeks of usage of very hard nagura modest Nakayama Nashiji became a monster finisher, cutting and polishing at the same time.
After this experiment I do not pay special attention to hardness of jnat. I know I can make from it whatever I want.
I find it useful when I ask for stones that are not for razor to say what I want in terms of hardness so the vendor can find it for me.
On another hand while some pay attention to hardness which as an actual attribute to a stone, others pay too much attention to grits which is not attribute to a natural stone as far as I know.
I don't buy stones for kitchen knives, I have three. Among them two vintage arkansas, which are much better than modern stones. Last time I buy jnats from time to time. I have enough stones for honing, just buy because they are beautiful and I like them. Surprisingly, beautiful jnat is always good, have you ever met this way of measuring jnats?
looks like thread hijacking..
Back on topic if I may.
I have recently bought one of these traveller sized Oozuku's from Maxim, and I must say it is a wonderful little tool.
Perfect for touch.ups and finishing after regular honing.
Very nice hone IMO
Congrats eleblu05, I think you are gonna be thrilled with it's performance.
I got mine yesterday and it's a great! It's an Ozuku Asagi with a hardness of 4,5 to 5 according to Makism, came lapped and ready to go! That's €40 well spent.
ive got this stone aswell. look: Rasur Kultur
also i got 3 other oozukus. this little traveler is maybe lv4. the other one 5. my other one from maxim is lv5+ and the third one is maybe 5++.
doesnt matter. this little thing is great and makes perfect edges.
Mine is 4.5 to 5 according to Maksim.
I've had a chance to play around with it a couple times now, last night I just did about 50 laps starting with a little tomo nagura slurry, diluting little by little and ending on clear water. Turned out just okay.
New try today, started with tenjou nagura slurry for around 30 laps, then tomo nagura slurry for 20-ish laps, dilute and 20 more, ended with 30-40 on water. Turned out much better! Sharp and very very smooth, my cheeks feels like I never really shaved, yet almost BBS with a quick ATG and XTG. Thumbs up for J-nats!
I am tempted to buy a traveler oozuku from maxim too, but I am a bit hesitant. I am debating between the razor size for ~€120 and traveler size for €40. Would I get any improvement over a nani 12k, or it would be just different? I will use it with water after the nani 12k, or I will buy a tomonagura for it, and use it after the 8k nani with slurry, and clear water after, I don't really know yet.
A hope someone can help me a bit to help me out of this trouble :hmmm::)
you should get better edge than 12k SS with those stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeness
A larger one sure is easier to use, but I do quite fine with my traveller too.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by jeness
Lately I have gotten the best results using it all the way with slurry, never diluting or finishing on clear water.
At a certain point usually after the 10-16k I tend to say you get different results, not better ones.Quote:
you should get better edge than 12k SS with those stones
But on this one I have to agree. I do get better results from my Shoubudani and Nakayama after Shapton 16k, Shapton Pro 12k or Naniwa SS 10k.
If you are in the market for a great finisher an Ohzuku is perfect.
These are available at a very nice price and top notch.
Your edges will not benefit *much* from bigger stones. But bigger stones are easier to use.
If you are comfortable with narrow stones or if you are on a budget there will be nothing wrong with the traveler size.
But since you probably are going to love your Ohzuku for a long time you might as well invest into something more special and get the razor size.
I myself am currently waiting for my second stone from Maksim in only two months (he´s making me poor but happy), an Ohzuku Asagi in 200x70 (the real big ones) because I was so highly impressed
with the Shoubudani I bought even in comparison to my Nakayama Kiita Maruka/Maruichi that cost almost double the price (although both are outstanding, to be honest)
To me the traveller is a sufficient 'razor size.' I dont have any jnats, but am considering adding a traveller to my collection.
I have a traveller oozuko from maxim. I don't know it's ins and outs yet but it seems to cut fast with slurry. I took it with me on a trip out west and touched up a few razors for my pals. The size is limiting but doesn't feel too small, I enjoy holding stones in my hands now a days.
I need more experience with it to really know whether or not I would prefer the edge from it to an edge off my Asagi. Great little stone!
Who is Maxim and how do I buy one of these travellers?
Maxim is the guy who runs this placeQuote:
Originally Posted by carazor