Nakayama Maruichi Honyama Asagi

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07-20-2011, 10:58 AM
Disburden

Nakayama Maruichi Honyama Asagi

I recently bought this hone from Takeshi's site on a gamble.

I usually buy stones from So or Maxim because they know razors and how a razor Jnat stone should act. I decided to crap shoot on this one because of the stamps and what the heck, right? If you remember old_school's now down site, which you can still view here btw: Hone #5, you will see stones with the same stamps.

One of the stamps is the Kamisori stamp for razors.

I lapped the stone flat and then used 1000grit sandpaper to polish the surface as well as nagura stones to polish more. The stone is very hard and slow, I actually tried to make slurry on it using my extremely hard (lv5 according to Maxim) Oozuku Agasi stone. It took forever to build slurry.I tried to use the edge of the Oozuku nagura to make things faster and it then chipped pieces off the Oozuku Nagura without making much slurry (I got a very little bit).

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I shaved off three razors this week using the stone as a final polish stone using water, after a 10Kish coticule. I normally use my YG escher for a final stone but this stone may be taking over that spot. I had the closest smoothest shaves this week from this stone, 2 passes, I normally do three. No need for a ATG pass either, XTG slicing was all it took.

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07-20-2011, 12:11 PM
Lesslemming

Nice looking Nakayama you got there,
may I ask where you got it from and how it performs compared to your lv5 Ohzuku
07-20-2011, 12:22 PM
Disburden

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Originally Posted by Lesslemming

Nice looking Nakayama you got there,
may I ask where you got it from and how it performs compared to your lv5 Ohzuku

I got it from Takeshi's site Aframestokyo.com. , not all the hones there are good though, some are prepolishers more than finishers. So far I don't want to compare this to my Ozuku because the nakayama is new to me and I may be biased based on that. SO far the shaves off this stone are amazing.
07-20-2011, 01:56 PM
maxim207

you cant realy compare these stones unfortionetly :( next one may be different. Even in Ozukus lv 5 they are all different !

But it looks for sure like very good stone, you can get some good and cheap hones from Takeshi just need to know what to look for.

Conrgats :) !!!
07-21-2011, 03:56 AM
Kingfish

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Here is a sister to your stone. Great stone and congrats!
07-21-2011, 12:13 PM
Disburden

Thanks, wonderful looking one too.

Hey... wait where did that kiita behind it come from? LOL
07-21-2011, 12:52 PM
zib

I have two that look like that, wooden base and all. I got mine from OS some time ago...good stones...no complaints.
07-21-2011, 04:40 PM
Kingfish

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Originally Posted by Disburden

Thanks, wonderful looking one too.

Hey... wait where did that kiita behind it come from? LOL

Your former stone gets used and abused almost daily!!! That Kiita is awesome and consitant surface!

As ypu can see I still have not used the face of this stone and the Kanji are still there. 2/3 of the back surface is lapped and that is how I use it. When I first got it, it cut very fast and after using it, it became apparent that the layer underneath was less aggresive and more compact. I wonder if we live long enough to wear through a few of these stones if they would do that as a general rule.

Of course the miners chose the face of this stone for a reason, so what I did back then probably silly, trying to preserve the kanji. The back was already partialy lapped when I got it and only a little piece of skin on the side of the the stone was and still is evident.

I would guess that the one that show more striations from the side are more likely to show some change and the solid ones less so? Maybe someone more qualified can answer that since I am just guessing...
07-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Stubear

Nice stone! :tu

I have a Nakayama Maruichi and its a great little stone that gives really good edges. I think J-Nats are pretty much my favourite finishers to be honest. I recently got an Asagi which I love as well.
07-21-2011, 11:54 PM
Kingfish

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Originally Posted by Stubear

Nice stone! :tu

I have a Nakayama Maruichi and its a great little stone that gives really good edges. I think J-Nats are pretty much my favourite finishers to be honest. I recently got an Asagi which I love as well.

Ditto on "favourite" for the range of work they can do and the endless variety. Now Stu, how about a picture of your new asagi?
07-22-2011, 08:52 AM
maxim207

Thats why i like them so much, there is so big variety in them in hardnes and fines you get unik stone every time, it makes them pretty special, and they are much more accessible then thuri or charnley
I like my Nakayamas a lot, they make less scratchy stones then Ozuku and Shoubu that makes them best fineshers for Kamisoris and laminated blades
07-22-2011, 11:20 AM
alx

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Originally Posted by maxim207

I like my Nakayamas a lot, they make less scratchy stones then Ozuku and Shoubu that makes them best fineshers for Kamisoris and laminated blades

Hi Maxim
I will have to gently disagree about your above blanket statement. There were great stones brought to light from all of the 4-5 main mines including Shobu & Ozuku. Each mine in the Shobudani area shared the same general geology and at different times ran into the same basic strata. Naurtaki was also one of those mines that had wonderful stones but unfortuneatly mined them all out and a closed before any of use were born by decades. The really best stones from any of the Kyo Yamashita area were dug out and used for swords between 1380 to somewhere in the Edo period, probably about 1750-1825. These were from the purest strata found at the higher elevations of the mountain from each of the different mines. So I contend that even the Nakayama stones most of us are exposed to are, well, I'll leave that up to you. alx
07-22-2011, 07:17 PM
maxim207

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Originally Posted by alx

Hi Maxim
I will have to gently disagree about your above blanket statement. There were great stones brought to light from all of the 4-5 main mines including Shobu & Ozuku. Each mine in the Shobudani area shared the same general geology and at different times ran into the same basic strata. Naurtaki was also one of those mines that had wonderful stones but unfortuneatly mined them all out and a closed before any of use were born by decades. The really best stones from any of the Kyo Yamashita area were dug out and used for swords between 1380 to somewhere in the Edo period, probably about 1750-1825. These were from the purest strata found at the higher elevations of the mountain from each of the different mines. So I contend that even the Nakayama stones most of us are exposed to are, well, I'll leave that up to you. alx

Hi Alex

I think you misudestand me, you are right !

But I was talking about stones avelleble now for razors, sword polishers use some "soft stones" comperd to ones we use for razors !! And they use them on much softer steel, tamahagene sword are made from much softer steel then any of us think :) And for that steel softer stones is much better and give more contrast to the hamon and makes that sandblasted finish. I did some polish on mine Tamahagene knife with softer stones and hard stones, harder will only make skraches more viceble.
Now what stones they used before and what we use now its hole another story ! I will not say that they was better :)
Scrachy stones can be super pure too but they will only skrach "soft" steel like on sword or laminated blade. On western razor it will feel much more smoother.
It is nothing to do with if its pure or not just hardnes of the stone and the steel you use it for.

Sword polishers they go just for softer stones that is super pure and some of this stones is now almost imposseble to find and will cost a fortune but its another story and nothing to do with western razor hones :)
07-23-2011, 05:30 AM
DrNaka

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Originally Posted by Disburden

I lapped the stone flat and then used 1000grit sandpaper to polish the surface as well as nagura stones to polish more. The stone is very hard and slow, I actually tried to make slurry on it using my extremely hard (lv5 according to Maxim) Oozuku Agasi stone. It took forever to build slurry.I tried to use the edge of the Oozuku nagura to make things faster and it then chipped pieces off the Oozuku Nagura without making much slurry (I got a very little bit).

Very nice hard stone.

I think you know it already but soaking these very hard stones 2 or 3 days in water will help to lap it easier and to make slurry.
07-23-2011, 06:16 AM
pinklather

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Originally Posted by maxim207

you cant realy compare these stones unfortionetly :( next one may be different. Even in Ozukus lv 5 they are all different !

But it looks for sure like very good stone, you can get some good and cheap hones from Takeshi just need to know what to look for.

Conrgats :) !!!

Maxim, what does one look for?
07-23-2011, 12:29 PM
mainaman

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Originally Posted by pinklather

Maxim, what does one look for?

You have to handle hundreds of stones to learn that. If the pictures posted are not quality it is easy to not see what you need to make educated guess about a stone.
07-23-2011, 08:34 PM
Disburden

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Originally Posted by DrNaka

Very nice hard stone.

I think you know it already but soaking these very hard stones 2 or 3 days in water will help to lap it easier and to make slurry.

I actually had no idea you could soak a japanese stone. I thought it would make the stone fragile?
07-23-2011, 09:32 PM
mainaman

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Originally Posted by Disburden

I actually had no idea you could soak a japanese stone. I thought it would make the stone fragile?

No nothing happens to the stone.
They can split if they were left out to freeze after they were used.
07-24-2011, 01:06 AM
DrNaka

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Originally Posted by Disburden

I actually had no idea you could soak a japanese stone. I thought it would make the stone fragile?

You should know that these Kyoto Stones have been millions of years in or under water.
So 2 or 3 days or permanent soaking in water itself will not hurt them.

There are 3 things I would care.

1. As mainaman said do not freeze (use ambient temperature water)
2. Do not dry under direct sunshine, in hot oven or near a fireplace.
3. Do not drop it on the floor (chances that the stone got broken will be a bit higher)
07-24-2011, 04:49 AM
Kingfish

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Originally Posted by DrNaka

3. Do not drop it on the floor (chances that the stone got broken will be a bit higher)

If you are working over hard flooring without a work mats, think about getting one or plan on having a broken heart.
08-17-2011, 03:25 PM
zib

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I actually had no idea you could soak a japanese stone. I thought it would make the stone fragile?

Here's your stones brother...
08-17-2011, 03:49 PM
Disburden

Wow, yep it's just like mine. I love it, it gives an amazing edge, my favorite finisher. I'm sure yours is pretty sweet too if it's anything like mine.
08-17-2011, 03:55 PM
zib

It's a great hone, It's a Maruichi Nakayama Asagi w a Nihon Kamasori stamp, Phew...So they tell me...I got this off Old School some time ago.

R
08-17-2011, 07:17 PM
Disburden

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Originally Posted by zib

It's a great hone, It's a Maruichi Nakayama Asagi w a Nihon Kamasori stamp, Phew...So they tell me...I got this off Old School some time ago.

R

Yep, mines exactly the same, honing is like honing on a glass plate. I tried to raise slurry but my arm gets tired before I see any lol.