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With all the restorations I have lined up, I know that sending all of them out for shave readying is going to get expensive quickly! I'm not to the point yet (close), but when I am, where should I start looking hone-wise? I'd like a set that I wouldn't have to move out of very quickly, a set that would be "pretty good" for a while, except for adding/swapping a stone or two for a slightly better one just to satisfy my soon to be case of HAD. Thanks all.
Brian
For someone who is going to be doing a fair amount of honing, I normally recommend getting a Naniwa Chosera 1K for bevel setting, a Norton Combo 4K/8K and a Naniwa Super Stone 12K. This is a great set up and very consistent for someone just starting out. I would also recommend the Naniwa Super Stones 5K and 8K in lieu of the Norton or The Shapton 4K, 8K and 16K glass stones (These are a little more expensive). You can play around with either .5 diamond paste or spray or Chromium Oxide following the finishing stones as well.
Good Luck,
Lynn
Did anyone else see that? 13 minutes. 13 freaking minutes for two highly regarded member/owner to give suggestions. That's why I play in this sandbox!
Thank you guys. I am looking at SRD now. I might have to wait a little bit on the stones, or look into used stuff. You know, I told my wife that I'd save money by going to DE/SE/Straights. Bwahhhhaahahahahahaha!!!! :D
Ok, the progression Lynn advised; naniwa 1000, norton 4/8k, naniwa 12k will run about $237 on SRD. Definitely going to have to wait a little bit on that! That much money is a topic to be breached very carefully with the wife! Lol. On the plus side, I got all of my extra DEs sold and immediately bought a John Barber and a Frederick "the celebrated" with the money, so that worked out in my favor.
Lynn is giving you some good advice. If the whole enchilada is too big a bite start with the norton 4/8 combo and add to it as time goes on. Unless you're messing with chipped edges you can get by with the 4/8 to begin with. An 8k is the point where you should shave test to begin with to make sure your honing is up to par. An 8k edge will give a fine shave if the razor has been properly honed. If it doesn't give a fine shave at 8k there is no point in going to the 12k. The razor needs more work on the lower grits.
Well, my Shumate that is my next project won't pop arm hairs, but will shave one side down, but not the other way. I am going to try stropping and running it over Crox on balsa from Larry Andros over at whipped dog to see where it ends up. Can't mess it up too badly that way I don't think.
My Dubl duck that is done has to be sent off for sure as its slightly frowned The J Barber is getting done by a pro so I don't screw up a 175 year old blade. The Frederick will come with the bevel set on a 1000 dmt (I think), so it might be my first victim if I decide to go with honing my own......
What about putting a Norton 4k/8k combo stone and a Shapton 16k glass stone together? Any issues with that combination?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
Can i say from a honing newbs perspective, that the guys on here are extrememly supportive. Maxi has been keeping an eye on my honing progress and he reccomended putting my Naniwa 12k away as well. I got a 220/1k and 4k/8k set couple of weeks back. He was right and so were the guys on here, if you can't get the shaving edge on the 8k then going to the 12k is short changing yourself.
After much perserverence and back and forth i finally got a shaving edge on my first resto last night.
Stick with it, it comes good
I've heard of quite a few guys doing this. Actually, I've set all of my barber stones to the side and I use my Shapton GS 16K as a barber stone...works very well. The main reason most of us recommend the Naniwa 12K is that it seems to be a bit more forgiving. As far as the finish, the Nani 12 and Shapton 16 feel pretty close to the same to my face.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowRain
If you develop a case of HAD you may actually save money by sending them all out to be honed. Naturals or a 30k hone is a quick way to empty a bank account.
It sounds like maybe a good place to start would be a 1k and a 4/8k combo then? It seems like everyone is saying that those stones would be good to cut my teeth on an would serve me well after I get better at honing.
You could get to the journeyman level of honing and would still use it...
King 1000 for any heavy bevel work and a Coticule would do it too
Works for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowRain
Enjoy!
You could get the naniwa superstone for 1k. The chosera is nicer, but the superstone works very well too and is 40% of the cost. Or get the norton combo pack 220/1000 4000/8000.
If you'll be honing from damaged edges on several razors you really want a 1k hone and then 3k-4k-5k and 8k are a necessity to get well shaving razor. Over 8k is significantly more expensive, so you can skip that and add it later.
Norton, naniwa, shapton they're all very effective and while there are differences among them there really is no reason to go to a more expensive option just because you think it'll work better. It may work just a little bit better, or you could prefer the different feedback (or not), but only after you've gotten quite good at using either of them.
Whatever you get you can hone thousands (yes thousands) of razors before you wear it off, so that isn't really an issue either.
Wow that's nearly my exact setup. Although, it's like giving a Ferrari (well, not compared to most on here, but it's just an analogy) to someone who can't drive stick or get out of 2nd gear but I'm working on it. :gaah:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
Chosera 1k
Norton 4/8
Naniwa 12k (When I first used it I said "I wouldn't trade this stone for anything ")
Chinese 15K (just got it Saturday, and said "THIS is the Stone I wouldn't trade for anything.");)
My "Plan" (if you can call what goes through my [lack of] 'Razor Mind' a 'plan') for the 15k was to keep it 'SinkSide' - so to speak - for frequent touch up.
Methinks if you need 'frequent touch ups' you've got to work more on stropping, shaving, honing, or perhaps all of them...Quote:
Originally Posted by RazeWiska
Methinks you are probably right, and I continue to do so, getting a little better each day. My stropping has gotten a lot better since when I first started. My shaving too is improving, but the honing, being infrequent, I get less practice. {I don't have steady hands and smooth motion}Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
oh, lynn didn't tell you the big honemeister trick?Quote:
Originally Posted by RazeWiska
gray goose, 3 olives!!!!
once you get better with it you can branch out, for example these days i'm experimenting with fancy gin&tonic, but i've found that whiskey and especially cognac work really well for me - that hand's not shaking at all :)
COGNAC ! ... you jest ?!
Surely you jest !?
I'd loose an appendage, or an eye, or something important to my person...
He was just kidding. But the three olives: that's what steadies his hand!
Cognac is good but but vodka works better on the stone. no tonic though it's too sticky. the ratio is usually 3-4 ozs for me 1/2 oz for the stone. Makes the edge really smile!!
And stepping back on track..........
What about this set to get started? I could probably justify ~$105 to my wife.
Amazon.com: Norton Waterstone Starter Kit: 220/1000 grit stone, 4000/8000 grit stone, SiC flattening stone: Home Improvement
Also, I would think that three fingers of Maker's Mark with a water back would make for steadier hands...........
That is a great set to get started with.
Remember that the flattening stone will need flattening.
lol, wow. I'm guessing with a piece of granite or similar tile and sandpaper?
1000 seems right for setting a bevel.
4000/8000 is great for honing.
That is where I would stop though. Unless you can get decent shaves off an 8000 grit hone, there is really no point in going higher.
To draw an analogy, there is no sense in upgrading a snipe rifle with an ultra expensive scope if you can't even hit the target at 100 yards.
Or: there is no point in buying the low drag resistance swimming suits if you cannot even swim.
Stop at 8000 until you can get decent shaves off of that. Worry about going higher afterwards.
That's a very good set at an excellent price.
Okay, guys, how about approaching it from the other way around? Getting a 12K now and using it to maintain the edge for a longer period (assume I'm already starting with a professionally honed razor). Then, when the time comes, either send it out or buy the 220/1k and 4k/8k stones. Is that even a feasible option?
gugi,Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
Did Lynn mention the grit of the Grey Goose?
:beer1:
That would work fine just as well, using either a Naniwa 12K or Shapton GS 16K will maintain your edges just fine barring accidents like chipping a blade or rolling an edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowRain
If I had a large amount of razors already in shaving condition, I would jump on a Shapton GS 16k and be done with it. However, I have a lot of razors that are being restored, so they need to be taken from 0% ready to shave ready. I am really going to work on my wife on getting the starter Norton set. I think I can convince her for $105.
No, unfortunately he only said "tis smoof". I always secretly suspected the ole geezer can't even tell ANSI from JIS from %$%@#%#$, but don't rat me out....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce
;)
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Agreed, you should be getting good shaves on the Norton 8K if not something is wrong. Good advice.