I was surfing around on you tube and saw this anyone ever use it? Wicked edge, seems like it be great for all honing and sharpening.
http://www.wickededgeusa.com/compone...34_400x400.jpg
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I was surfing around on you tube and saw this anyone ever use it? Wicked edge, seems like it be great for all honing and sharpening.
http://www.wickededgeusa.com/compone...34_400x400.jpg
Hmmm, If the hone holding sticks were closer to the vice to create a steeper beveled edge resemblant of the angle of bevel when spine and edge are touching the stone surface, and if those hones were replaceable with razor-quality hones to cover the whole progression, that might be an innefficient and overly complicated option. As it is, it looks best suited for knives.
I have the Lansky and the Gatco systems. They are wonderful for knives. I wouldn't even consider trying it on any of my razors tho.
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Sharpening systems are made to use with tools that don't have built in angle guides, as razors have. These systems have no use for razor sharpening, for knives they are great.
I have a friend that has that for knives, ant it work awesome for knives. If I didnt have a Lansky I would get that system for my knives. But as others have said not for razors.
well he hones a razor in the vid online plus the arms are adjustable to different angles and the stone come off to change grits
I didn't say it can't be done, but the edge will be crappy compared to normal honing. And I am totally sure that it would be much harder to get a good edge on a razor with the WEPS, than with bench stones. Razors are much easier to hone than knifes, the problem is, that if you knife isn't the sharpest and smoothest possible, than you put a bit more pressure when cutting and thats all. Now, if your razor isn't the best, than you will be very unpleased :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
Also, I am 99,9% sure the guy in the vid doesn't sahve with a straight.
Sorry my friend, I think you're just going to have to learn how to hone your razor using a rock like the rest of us. It's really not that hard, though... :banghead:
I saw a vid of someone sharping a knife with it. Very cool but too rough for a razor
I am not worried about honing my razors... more concerned with the knifes, keeping the right angles
Then that one looks like it will do the trick. Are you also talking about cooking knifes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
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This one works for cooking knifes
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Originally Posted by Supernas
Well that changes a few things, and now I had to delete the whole post I wrote...
If you would have just asked that to begin with it would have eliminated all the posts saying "Not a good idea for razors" :)
It has more than 1 moving part, so it's beyond me.
I will stick with a stone.
well the point was to have something that will work for both.. this thing has the same stones that I would get for the razor..Look guy I am looking for why it won't work well I am not sold either way so here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5APdX...yer_detailpage
Yeah, no. Not for razors.
Buy it. Try it and let us know..
Regards,
Howard
that is really what I think that I will do I am just tryig to understand why people are saying no.. is some pit fall that my untrained eye is missing? All I am seeing no with no reason or explaination... well one person gave a reason but that was before I mentioned that you can move it to set the correct angle
Supernas, You're really banging your head against a mountain of experience. They're not saying no because they're opposed to your views. These members have thousands of hours of razor honing experience and they know what works and doesn't work. Razors are not knives. If that system would work for razors, we'd all be talking about how best to tweak it and use it. Honing methods and sharpening system recommendations come and go. Tried and true methods survive! If you really believe that his system will work, truly, buy it and try it on your razors, but I know that you will find that the advice you got here will endure! I hope this is of some help!Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
Sincerely,
Howard
The reason it won't work on razors is it relies on the tang to set the angle. If the spine is warped as most razors are the geometry has no relation to the tang. Classic case of someone trying to build a better mousetrap. Unless the device can allow for variable contact points as does an educated hand it is useless for most razors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
Ok I have tried now 4 times to write a non-sarcastic post I just can't do it, sorry :p
Put as simply as possible, if it were really that easy don't you think we would be using one ????
Look man, you can milk a goat and ride a moped cross country, but if you want a milkshake and a Harley, both the previous options will leave you wanting. Sure, they'll work, but why not just do it right the first time?
Learn to shave with a straight that has been honed properly. Then buy this set up. Hone a razor with it. Report back to us how it shaves. If it works well, and the edges are as sharp, smooth, and long lasting as a traditional honing I'll bet you everyone will cede the point. But why start behind the ball? Just get the stuff you need from the beginning.
Sharpening knives is not honing razors. You can make a knife "razor sharp" on 600 grit sandpaper. That doesn't mean it will shave smoothly. Lots of knife guys have issues wrapping their minds around that.
What guarantees the edge he produces is a good usable shaving edge? I'll agree it might work but after someone that knows what a proper edge is tries his work. Until then everyone can make a video and post it on youtube, and by the way this gizmo has been discussed on the forum before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
As Oz pointed out those have problems with complex geometries , which is very often the case with razors.
For example it has been proven a gizmo will never be able to sharpen a Yanagiba properly, just does not have enough degrees of freedom to conform to the blade geometry. That type of tool is good for most knives and that is what it is marketed for.
In honing we put the razor to the stone not the other way. This allows for a soft touch and no flexing in the blade. We would feel it in the preasure of the razor. Holding the stone eliminates the feed back of preasure. If you do feel something it would be to late and the damage is done.
No one is stopping you. Sometime you just have to try it for yourself to see. You can always use it for knifes if it doesnt work on the razors.
I use the lansky system (which is similar to the one you posted). It works great on my chefs Knives and my Tactical Knifes but I would never even attempt it on my razors. Theres way more finesse involved in Honing a straight IMHO.
Ahh now I understand.. Like I said I am not questioning the knowledge of the people who hone on here.. I was simply trying to get some of their knowledge... you can have all the experience in the world and tell someone that something will not work, that does nothing for their education. So to all who bother to actually pass the knowledge on thank you to the others. Remember there is a learning curve and you have a responsiblity as the keepers of the knowlegde to pass it along, which is the entire point of a forum.
I went to their website to check it out. What I found was a depiction of the system together with (among others) the following description: Kit includes: 8 Diamond Stones, 2 each in 100, 200, 400 and 600 grits / Continuously variable angle adjustment from 15 to 30 degrees.
The good news first - the angle is not so bad. A 13-17 degree angle is most common in straights. Now for the worse (the really bad news) - the stone grits sold with that kit are 100, 200, 400 and 600 grit. This will not do for straight razors. Most people honing straight razors *start* at 1000 grit, and follow a progression often around 4000, 8000 and 12000 grits. Many go well beyond that as well, 30 000 grit is not uncommon. Why so high grits? You can make a very sharp edge at 600 grit I am sure, but then again sharpness is only half the story. To make a comfortable shave, you also need the edge to be smooth. You need fine grit stones for this. In short; honing a straight has 2 different phases to it. First you set the bevel (sharpen the cutting edge) - then after that you go through a whole lot of continually higher grit stones in order to polish the cutting edge so it doesn't feel like you're pulling hair out root and all.
For my own accord, I will add that it is not very cheap, and for $250 (assuming US but did not check) there are many serviceable options. I also noticed they also have a nice Naniwa Chosera pack which is considerably cheaper.
Best of luck.
I doubt that you will find another environment where those possessing knowledge and experience share it so willingly and openly. I really don't think that these same people need you to tell them what their responsibility is to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
I have the Apex Edge Pro system and I can tell you that it is absolutely awesome for all my knives. I have tried it on about 30 razors so far going all with way up with their 600 and 1000 stones up to their polishing tapes and taken it up to 8K and beyond on my own films but I have not been able to get a comfy shave yet. In principle it is really cool and I have tried to start out with magic marker on my edges to try to ensure I am stabilizing the razor to get a good bevel set, but so far I'm not quite there. If any set up would work, I thought this one might as you can control the pressure and keep the blade flat on the stand changing the angle to get the stroke right. I was really hoping that this would work on wedges that have a ton of uneven spine wear and that by changing the angle a touch and creating a little micro bevel, that it would replace a rolling X stroke on the stones, but I haven't been able to get there either. I continue to find that my stones in progression, give me a much more consistent, reliable and time effective opportunity for a good shaving edge.
If any of you guys have this set up, I would be interested in your findings with regard to straight razors.
Edge Pro Apex Knife Sharpener
Have fun.
Did you also notice how this device will change the bevel of the blade, with the base having a higher angle than the tip. which will translate to different wear and a not so straight razor. Also the angle of the bevel will be much higher of an angle than stones will give you. the bottom comes out too far to have the hones at the line created by the bevel and the spine. As others have mentioned, blade on stone gives good feedback, stones on blade not so much. I bought plates just because they are cheaper and easier. If I had an excess of cash, I would be stones all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernas
Lastly, that guys shave screams electic shaver. Trust other who put the blade to their face over those who hide behind metal foil from their blades!
well then if their not willing to share when asked then don't reply, I am not preaching to them, but if you give a response you should be will to elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill S
You have your answers
I am going to close this before it goes way sideways.... It is under Mod review