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This stone i started lapping not quite done little more on the ends but anyways its a very hard stone, allready spent a lot of time lapping im thinking Llynn idwal? what do you think?The slurry is milky white and not easily made for sure!!So far looks very promising smooth as glass!!Attachment 87335Attachment 87336Attachment 87337
It'a not Llyn idwal. Could be a Everkeen hone, but I'm not sure. It's a slate type definitely. not Llyn idwal or Charnley or any novaculite type stones.
I don't know where you are getting your information from Vasilis, but I strongly suggest that you re-evaluate it in light of recent posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
Regards,
Neil
Neil what do you mean by that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Well, I'm sorry for my misspelling errors. But, share your knowledge with us. I know you re one of the most experienced members here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
I think it could be a Llyn Idwal as well, the colour is very uniform and it has flaking.
Martin & Vasilis:
Don't get me wrong - it's nothing to do with spelling!
What I mean is that you have categorically dismissed the stone as LI, then gone on to say that it isn't a novaculite. Why?
I agree with Piet.
Regards, Neil
The color is just too uniform for it to be an Idwal, I have never seen novaculite type stones (accept for Arkansas) with so uniform color that I would be surprised if it was one. Yes, this kind of flaking is characteristic for novaculite type stones, it is long sized, that usually means slow, again characteristic shape for LIs and Charnleys. Usually when we say it's a hard hone, we mean the stone doesn't produce slurry while honing. LI stones are glass hard. So, I'm sorry if I misled you Martin103. It could be an Idwal.
Vasilis you didnt misled me at all,if i knew what the stone was for sure i wouldnt post asking about it, it just seemed possible to me that it could be a LI with the research i did here and beyound.
I think it's a LI. Pretty positive that it is.
Actually this type of LI is usually very uniform in color with a very subtle speckle pattern which you probably won't see until it's lapped and you're looking upclose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasilis
These are probably all LIs, the one at the right is a similar type as Martin's LI.
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[QUOTE=Piet;906310]Actually this type of LI is usually very uniform in color with a very subtle speckle pattern which you probably won't see until it's lapped and you're looking upclose.
These are probably all LIs, the one at the right is a similar type as Martin's LI.
I totally agree Piet, the one on the right look just like mine.Since im not quite done lapping where does this stone fall into the progression?
And since you have 5 of them are they all different ?
The two at the left are of the same type, they just look a little different. The two at the right are very similar but because I have and have seen more of both I'd say they are a different type. Both types are extremely hard, they have tiny flaking in chips and a similar shade of green.
I would also agree with LI. And also feel sorry for the soul who wants to lap it flat with minimum of nicks in the surface. it will be a big job. Be carefull with lapping do it slow with a lot of water or even running otherwise they tehd to overheat and flake as they expand. So far I did not have problem honing with these flakes but it certainly look nicer without.
wow great thread guys this was a good learning experience for me i didnt know that LI had two different appearance's
I really dont know if i will be able to remove and make it perfect would have to remove a lot of stone will see how it goes so far so good!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by adrspach
Unless somebody's got a better method then a diamond plate?
Lapidary grit in various grit sizes (eg 100, 180, 240, 320 - you can go up to 600 but for some reason 600 and above a bit harder to get hold of), water, flat hard surface (cast iron plate/thick glass/granite) and a lot of rubbing. Quicker than a diamond plate and you can make longer/wider sweeps. Just put a small mound of grit on the plate, pour on some water and go at it. Makes a lot of mess, though. You can always true-up with the diamond plate if you suspect that your surface wasn't flat enough or you have allowed a build-up under the hone that has resulted in a slight roll of the surface. Usually not necessary though if you are careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
Regards,
Neil
Interesting Neil sounds like you do a lot of lapping!!! Can anybody perhaps comment on the use of a LI? Pre-finisher? finisher?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
compare to others?
Same as with CFs decent finisher.
Yes, very decent finisher.
Regards,
Neil
Neil and Adrspach, thank you for that , now i really will take the time to lapped the stone. Im glad to hear it, always fun to play
with finishers!!!
Yeah, I'm with the general consensus here. One reason which hasn't been mentioned, I don't think, is the very matte looking finish of the stone when it's dry. My LI, when its dry, doesn't look to the eye (and also somewhat to the feel) as fine as it really is. However, put some water on it and it slicks right up... put some honing oil on it and it turns into a Jedi. :jedi: Also, if you read all the old literature, it always says that Llyn Idwals are/were often confused with CFs. I don't think that means that all LIs can be confused with all CFs; I think it means that there's a small subsection of LIs that can be confused pretty easily with a small subsection of CFs. Mine, for instance, looks like the bastard son of Piet's far right and far left hones. It's that deep, deep green, but it has a more pronounced black speck pattern. I don't think mine could really be confused with a CF too easily, but if you take most of the speckles out, like Piet's on the far right (or yours, for that matter) I can definitely see how they could be mistaken with the dark green CFs. The only reason I'd guess it to be an Idwal is that it looks from the pictures to be more greyish than greenish, if that makes sense.
I do have to agree with you that there is "overlaping" part of the identification. That is reason why i am trying to learn more about history of these hones and their original quarries as that will help me to be better in their identiffication.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikazeproject
I'm with ya. I've seen a lot of debating back and forth on this site, sometimes, about what a certain stone is. When it comes right down to it, in the simplest explanation; these things are freakin' rocks... from the ground.... go outside and pick up two rocks from your driveway, they're probably the same kind, and they'll look completely different. It's like the picture Piet posted; I'd say all those rocks came from the same place, but they all look different, and some of them look so different that I'm sure some people would get into heated debates about whether they're from the same place. Bottom line? Unless it's got a sticker on it, sometimes you'll never know. My dad has worked in quarries his whole life, and I spent a good amount of time working in them. One thing I've learned is that if there's a type of rock formed in one part of the world, there's the the same type somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrspach
Somewhere on this vast planet, there's a big chunk of rock that's almost the exact same as the red/green swirl CFs; and if and when someone ever finds it, there'll be fistfights between people trying to say which mine it's from. hahaha
Attachment 87544Well im done lapping this stone that was quite a task at hand for sure, using diamond plate two different grit got the job done,
always under running water!! Didnt count how much time i spent lapping but it was a lot!!
How easy was it to chamfer the edges? I ask, because mine was a pain to lap, but didn't take much at all to chamfer... it just kinda struck me as odd, so I was wondering how yours did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
Actually the entire stone was difficult to lap, but i did it a little at a time. That said didnt have time to try it out yet, hoping all that work lapping will pay off, and i must say out of all the natural stone i have this one feels the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikazeproject
