Names of hones

Would you call a piece of rock which looks has simmilar properties to e.g Escher hone Escher? Or something else?
Lately there were discussions about simmilar hones. Strangely these hones are not that easily to identifiable unlike others e.g. TOS or stained CF. The only identification there is sellers blurb. I can understand why these sellers sell their hones with all those recognised names rather than as very good but no name hone. To stay with Escher as example to have a hone with the name it means that no name hone which would cost few bucks will go straight away to level of hundreds.
However my bigger problem with this is that by adding information from these non positively identified hones to those names the original knowledge of abilities of these named hones and their history is getting more and more blurred/destroyed in order to boost someboy's profits.

I have what appears to be some kind of Thuringian/Escher type hone... I call it the "Ye Olde Black Slick Rock." :D jk

Yeah, I know what you mean. There's a seller on the BAY from somewhere on the U.K., if I remember right, that always has a whole mess of stones for sale; I haven't actually bought anything from the seller, but I wouldn't hesitate for a second, if for no other reason than I've often seen him/her flat out say in the title of the stone for sale that he or she doesn't know for sure what kind it is. If that seller is honest enough to be like, "I don't know what the hell it is, but it's smooth and works like a charm", I'll trust 'em.

I have no problem with the quality of the hone. I have problem with the name.

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Originally Posted by adrspach

I have no problem with the quality of the hone. I have problem with the name.

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Yeah, I think I know what you're getting at... for example, the escher... by people referring to other thuringian stones as an escher, which is actually just a subset of thuringian, its getting to the point that characteristics of some of the other thuringian stones, which weren't present in the ones mined by the escher company, are coming to be used in the definition of eschers, creating a kind of misinformation. So, by all the misinformation, they're making it even harder than it already was to distinguish the two?

I've been waiting to see when someone on the bay cuts down and ages one of the good PHIG's and tries to pass it off as a Thurry/Escher. Only a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by kamikazeproject

Yeah, I think I know what you're getting at... for example, the escher... by people referring to other thuringian stones as an escher, which is actually just a subset of thuringian, its getting to the point that characteristics of some of the other thuringian stones, which weren't present in the ones mined by the escher company, are coming to be used in the definition of eschers, creating a kind of misinformation. So, by all the misinformation, they're making it even harder than it already was to distinguish the two?

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Distinguish the two is simple, if its an escher it is labelled, without a label its a Thuringian.

Yep that is it.
I have many good hones which look like and behive like known hones but unless I am at least 95% sure I would not call them those names. As with the example I used I call them thuringian type hone.

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Originally Posted by adrspach

Yep that is it.
I have many good hones which look like and behive like known hones but unless I am at least 95% sure I would not call them those names. As with the example I used I call them thuringian type hone.

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Same here. Which is why I'll never sell my "Ye Olde Black Slick Rock." haha I'm not the kind of person who'll try to mislead people to make money, and I know that without those kinds of selling points, I'll never make what it's worth if I sell it. Besides that, it is awesome and I don't wanna sell it. haha

Quick inexperienced opinion here: I understand that your discontent is caused by unlabeled stones being referred to as labeled stones, then the properties of those hones, being imbued on all true stones of that label. I get it. But it ain't gonna change. This is one of those things we just gotta live with. It's kinda like being mad at a rain cloud. JMHO

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Originally Posted by regularjoe

Quick inexperienced opinion here: I understand that your discontent is caused by unlabeled stones being referred to as labeled stones, then the properties of those hones, being imbued on all true stones of that label. I get it. But it ain't gonna change. This is one of those things we just gotta live with. It's kinda like being mad at a rain cloud. JMHO

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I believe this is all about sellers on online auction not being honest or maybe its just an uneducated guess as to what the stones name is, there is so many variables that probably only a geologist could definately say that it does indeed is a whatever!!!
Lots of interesting threads here lately about stones names and there grit estimated guess, will be interesting to see with a few reviews after the stones questioned. Enjoy!!

An Escher is an Escher when its label says so. If it has no label you have to trust the seller's story that his greatgrandfather was a barber and did tell him his stone once had an Escher label.

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Originally Posted by Kees

An Escher is an Escher when its label says so. If it has no label you have to trust the seller's story that his greatgrandfather was a barber and did tell him his stone once had an Escher label.

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I dont agree without a label its a thuringian, and grampa probably had a little to much whisky when he told ya!! Nevertheless
that doesnt change its honing magnitude. Enjoy!!

there's an old lady. She is the last descendant of Escher & Co. she is 92 years old. We have spoken with her. There were 28 companies in Thuringia and stones. Escher had for many other companies still rocks.
MST is the Thuringian also very good, like an Escher. He also comes from directly from Thuringia.