hone ID's please

Couple of ebay hones just wondering if someone can help me ID them. The dark hone (6"x1 3/4"x 1") seems to be some sort of slate and although it fairly soft (the amount of slurry pictured was obtained in about 10-15 circles with a dmt 220 similar to a norton) feels very fine. It is a very dark grey when dry and looks black when wet. The color of the slurry is similar to the dry color.
The lighter colored hone (8"x2"x1") is a cream color (kind of like a vanilla cookie) with a speckled pattern (very uniform across the entire hone) this hone seems substantially harder (40-50 circles to get the pictured amount of slurry). The hone did not change color wet or dry, and the slurry was a much lighter color almost white in comparison.
The slate hone was clean when received, no oil.
The cream hone did have oil on it and was cleaned with dish soap, so it's probably not as clean as it could be.
Both hones where grid lapped on a dmt 220.
Any help with the id as well as input as to where they would fall into a progression if they even are something that could be used on a razor would be greatly appreciated
cheers
-Omid

The cream in color is an Arkansas Washita, the black one I don't know, could be a Dragon Tongue or a Welsh slate like Yellow Lake oilstone, but isn't easy to recognise from this pictures.

So if I'm correct a washita is lower in the grit range like a bevel setter and I wound be better off using a norton 1k for speed and concistancy. If the other hone does happens to be a dragons tongue would it be a suitable follow up to my norton 8k?

turn the cream stone on its side and take a pic if it has bands or layers its a hindostan which i belive it is its not a washita.

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Originally Posted by OmidFarahbakhsh

So if I'm correct a washita is lower in the grit range like a bevel setter and I wound be better off using a norton 1k for speed and concistancy. If the other hone does happens to be a dragons tongue would it be a suitable follow up to my norton 8k?

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I don'tknow if Washita are good for razor, perhaps; the Dragon Tongue are around 4-5 K in grit.

And yes, if have layer on side could be an Hindostan or a Canadian Magog oilstone.

The lighter color stone looks like an American hone. Arkansas, hindostan, Canadian, I can't be sure. The dark one, if it's not thuringian, it could be a dragon's tongue or an everkeen. I have one everkeen, and it's really fine, thuringian fine. It doesn't look like a yellow lake.

The slurry is very dark grey almost black and I'm under the impression a thuri has a lighter colored slurry so I don't think it's a thuri. What would be the hallmarks of an everkeen so I could come up with a final determination?
Cheers
- Omid

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Originally Posted by eleblu05

turn the cream stone on its side and take a pic if it has bands or layers its a hindostan which i belive it is its not a washita.

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+1 for the hindostan if layered on sides very similar to mine.

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Originally Posted by OmidFarahbakhsh

So if I'm correct a washita is lower in the grit range like a bevel setter and I wound be better off using a norton 1k for speed and concistancy. If the other hone does happens to be a dragons tongue would it be a suitable follow up to my norton 8k?

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Well you really need to test them, the dark one tri it after the norton 8k dragons tongue and yellow lake are finer then 8k in most case so you would know right away!!! I use a yellow lake as a pre-finisher and love it makes the transition to the finisher really easy!!