Here a 1930 catalog page cut-out, wasnt aware that some Swaty's were actually made in the USA, with the same stamp?
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Here a 1930 catalog page cut-out, wasnt aware that some Swaty's were actually made in the USA, with the same stamp?
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The one in the illustration is marked Austria so I don't know what to think of that. Pike, IIRC, or maybe it was American Hone Co, had a "Swaty" and it was made in the USA IIRC.
The way im reading this is that Swaty now made in usa same size, formula, and same markings?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Made in the USA stamped Austria ???? that makes things a bit confusing :)
Like Jimmy I have seen the Pike Swaty's made in the USA
I have a pike swaty. It's marked as a pike on stone and box.
Michael
Hey could be? A very good friend of mine produces a lot of maple syrup here in New york state that he sells to a farmer in Vermont,Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
and its bottle by him and sold as Vermont Pure!
Well it could have been but it would be trademark infringement and, if I'm not mistaken, against the law to mark a product as being made in one country when it was made in another. Besides that, it makes no sense to me that they would tout the hone as being made in the USA and mark it Austria. I suppose the illustration was to show the 'old' hone and the new product would have been marked USA. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
If you have the authorization from the Original trademark owner, it would be feasible that they were made here with their original markings.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Whether they did or not i dont know, possible but more then likely not.
The writing looks the wrong way round on that hone...
The Swaty company dates from 1879. When the father Franz died in 1888, the son (Francis/Franz/Franc depending on the origin of the material you read about him) carried on, still in Vienna (diferent zone though) and eventually in Slovenia/Jugoslavia - hence the 'four line' longer swaty with Jugoslavia on it.
Both Pike and S R Droescher imported the hone - here is an excerpt from a 1913 Pike catalogue:
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They were both sole agents - at different times, of course. S R Droescher also imported other hones like eschers.
I have read that some of the Swaty family came to New York where they made hones with material imported from Austria. They later moved to Moravia, Iowa, a place that seems to have been home to a number of barber-hone producers.
Swaty also carried on in the Jugoslav area, eventually merging with a firm called Comet to become known as SwatyComet :
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So there must have been a very large variety of Swaty hones of one sort or another!
Regards,
Neil
Now that is interesting. I wonder if the American Hone Co was competition or was the former Swaty ? BTW, Pike also imported Eschers for a time. I used to have a barber's delight marked Pike/Escher on the box. While the stone had the normal Escher labels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
IIRC, the American Hone Company moved to Moravia, IA from New York, lock, stock, and barrel. There are various threads about it; here's one I found: American Hone Company
I got my Frictionite00 in the late 70s. I was an oboist in Jr. High and it came as part of an inexpensive reed-making kit. It sat unappreciated in a toolbox, in the same tray as an unappreciated coticule, for a couple of decades. I was in Iowa, and thought it was cool that the hone came from Iowa, too. Moravia is out in the country in south-central Iowa, an obscure little place.
Given the political turmoil in Austria at the time and with the Austrian civil war was coming in just a couple of years I wonder if the seller of these in the USA may have used some literary license in making the made in the USA claim. Certainly it
would not have difficult to modify the molds to reflect USA but since these hones were already popular they did not want to
remove the name "Austria" for fear of losing sales. :thinking::shrug:
A potted history of the AHCo and the man who bought it:
Originally based in Olean, NY, the American Hone Co moved to Moravia Iowa in 1950 after being bought out by Merrill Johnson, owner of Success Barber Supply. Johnson hired a young woman (Lois Hiatt, fresh out of highschool) to oversee the making of the hones - she had access to the original owners which made life simpler, and one of the original employees assisted for four months They produced 'hot hones' that were baked using natural ingredients in a matrix and 'cold hones' - both the hot and cold hones were made using a press, but the cold variety did not need baking. When Hiatt died (2004) she left lists of the hone ingredients behind her, but no-one has succeeded in making them work.
Merrill Herschel Johnson had an interesting career, being born in Monroe Co., Iowa in 1889. He was a barber while still in school, a partner in two barber shops, a barbershop owner, patentee of a strop filler and a honing method owner and barber in Moravia and started his own mail order supply company - Success Barber Supply. He also had his own farm and ranch. The American Hone Co was at 111 E. Charlton, Moravia, Iowa. Success Barber & Beauty Supply is at 113 E Charlton St.
The Frictionite was made by AHC, but the 00 model was stopped (according to RandyDance who knew/knows one of the owners) because the Rhodesian company supplying the abrasive grit went out of business. They also made hones for Dubl Duck and many other companies, badged with the clients name, as well as over a hundred others including Lithide, Black Diamond, Ahconite, Super Punjab, Reliance, Little Devil, Vinco, Carbro, etc, etc. When the company went out of business the stock was bought up by Anton and Diana Till and sold on Ebay.
Regards,
Neil
The line in that text "Super Smooth-O" is telling. That was a product made by the American Hone Company and is essentially a combination of rouge and lanolin. Since AHC also made the "3 Line Swaty" after they moved to Moravia, IA I suspect that the Olean NY people also made the one pictured in the advertisement. They may very well have had the abrasive shipped in from Europe but who knows?
Neil Miller has the history of the AHC in Moravia correct. Lois did start there soon after high school and she never did write down the "process". Only a 3" x 5" recipe card exists for each of the hones and it only has the ingredients and quantity listed for a batch size and the hone dimensions. At one time there were 33 people employed by them but they made a wide variety of Barber shop products, not just hones.
