Printable View
I recently purchased this hone on the bay from a GB vendor. It came in a typical wood storage, but hasn’t been used with oil in the past.
It’s a hard hone, maybe novaculite, so it could be a CF or LI. But I have not seen a hone in this mint color stained with lighter colored patches and with orange and dark/black dots.
Attachment 105580Attachment 105581
Attachment 105577Attachment 105578
Any idea what it is?
I don't know, however, I recently got one myself - very pretty.
I haven't had much time to play with it yet, though.
It was advertised as a Cambrian
Well looking at the first pic looks very green color, the others pics looks more like blue grey and the wet areas a little on the green side. Looking at pic #3 i would say its a Lynn Idwall, the apparent flaking is very typical to LI. Does it produce a milky white slurry? Perhaps a pic of the chipped end would help the identification of this stone? Would you say that its a finisher?
I'd say it was a LI. Remember they are not all the same. I've had a similar one to that with orange dots. Why don't you test it?
It must be a cutler's green hone!
(i pondered ordering one of those but the shipping cost from AJ is just too high to play around with unverified stones once you already have enough other unverified hones. I wish he would ship economy with no tracking for repeat customers who are not a threat requiring signature confirmation)
Calling a stone a Cutler's green without provenance is like calling a thuri an Escher.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
I had not much time to try it in detail right now. Slurry is light milky mint green. Stone is as hard as some of my LI due to my opinion but takes more material than a LI during honing.
From the grit and honing capability I would rate it between a TOS and a LI. This would also fit for a mixture of both concerning the look. Green color from the LI, dots from the TOS. But it ain't that easy!
By the way, this is not the stone AJ sells as possible cutlers green. I got one of these too and the stones are totally different.
I have a similar hone, very old, set on a wooden paddle with a handle - probably dates to the last half of the 1800s. It is quite thin - about 8mm thick - and although it looks and feels hard and glassy it scores fairly easily and is not 'vitreous' like you would associate with some novaculites. It is a decent finisher (but too 'keen' an edge for me - I find the shave slightly uncomfortable) and I would put it conservatively as equivalent to a 10k hone.
It has small black dots, larger orange areas and the matrix is a fresh, minty green. If looked at under magnification some of the orange areas have a darker brown core which looks like rust, so there is iron oxide in it. I would think that the lighter orange colour is staining spreading from the iron oxide nucleus. Where dark spots (not the brown iron oxide spots) occur in the middle of an orange area they seem to 'repel' the orange stain, leaving a halo of the mint green stone.
There is some flaking, but it does not exhibit the conchoidal fractures we usually see in Llyn Idwals, and which are familiar to anyone who has seen knapped flints. Flint, BTW is a form of chert, as is novaculite. Although our uses are mainly to do with the microporous, micro- or cryptocrystalline forms of silicon-rich chert, there are many types. It can range from very hard to very soft - some types are like chalk, and where it is formed in beds it can take on a surprising range of colours from sediments and layers that form next to and along with it - for instance there is a beddded form that consists of alternate bands of chert and shale.
My paddle would seem to be a form of chert or novaculite (sometimes referred to as metachert) that is softer than LI and the hard Arkansas hones, with impurities such as iron oxide (or posibly manganese, which can also give a rusty red/brown colour) that have given it the brown/orange splodges. I don't know what other trace elements have contributed to the little dark spots and the main matrix of the stone, but curiously enough iron can give rise to both orange/brown and green colouring, according to whether it is ferrous (reduced, green) or ferric (oxidized, brown).
In short - yet another mystery hone.
Regards,
Neil
No pics Neil really?
I'm curious too to see some pics Neil, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
Now I've got to find the darn thing! Honestly, it's like a graveyard of tombstones for Borrowers in here.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushdoctor
Regards,
Neil
Did you taste it yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzicho
Sweet take a pic of the whole collection while your at it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Minty with an aftertaste of rust, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
Regards,
Neil
Not the whole collection, Martin - there are more than twice this number, but that would have cluttered up the table too much, plus I left out all the diamond plates and the synthetics as they aren't really that interesting to look at. Here goes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin103
Attachment 107234
Attachment 107235
Attachment 107236
Attachment 107237
Attachment 107238
The paddle I was talking about has three pics, and I think you can only upload six at a time, so they will follow.
Regards,
Neil
The paddle:
Attachment 107239
Attachment 107240
Attachment 107241
It's not quite as green as I thought, but it appears a darker green when wet.
Regards,
Neil
Great collection Neil. Thanks for sharing.
Neil, what about the green hone in the forth picture you posted. It seems that this hone nearly fulfils all necessary requierements to be a cutlers green hone: ...'forest green with sparse blue speckles'....:chapeau
Wow Neil what a great stones arsenal ! Thanks for sharing.
Now wouldn't that be something - guess we will never know, though!
Regards,
Neil
Great stones and finally I had something to show my wife to stop her rambling when my lot goes for airing.
For me the stone in the pine base near the middle of the picture is interesting.
Thanks Neil - I instantly feel better about myself. For a while, i was buying stones and thinking "it makes no sense that I buy more of these, I can't possibly defend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
What do you think of the little yellow oilstone next to your charnley? I have one of those in a bench stone size, it's an absolute treat.
Thanks for sharing your collection Neil Really nice! Do any of these stone get used at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
It's a great stone, Dave. It is a hard/translucent white arkansas, very hard and glassy and requires quite a number of laps. It's main use is for very warped blades - I have made one of the thin long edges semi-circular in section, so just one point on the bevel/spine is in contact with the stone at any one time. Some of the lower grade slips are rounded in this manner, too, so I can do some work on badly warped blades.
Above it are a kind of smoky translucent and translucent slipstones.
Regards,
Neil
Nearly all of them, Martin - I try to keep a variety of widths to work on different blades according to what sort of defect the blade has. The most used ones still have dried slurry on them, such as the yellow belgians, the blue/spotted-yellow belgian, the Black Rock thuringian and the candia stones. Even the very thin slips are used to sharpen the inner curved edges of some of my leather edge tools, and the large purple slate for dressing my half-round leather knife.
Regards,
Neil
Hatzicho - I know you know this, but I just wanted to point out to everyone that I am not trying to steal this thread! Folks - Hatzicho asked me to respond in a PM, so please forgive me if it looks like I am trying to hijack the thread - apologies!Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzicho
Regards,
Neil
Neil,
I think we all like your posts and are lucky to get knowledge about your experience with hones. So I hope you will go on posting and share your great knowledge.
Thanks a lot!!!
Peter
Gut gesagt Junge !Quote:
Originally Posted by hatzicho
