I recently was given a two sided frictionite 00 near mint still with the original leather case.
Q: can I lap it like a normal hone?
Q: It has no slurry stone what would be the best sub.?
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I recently was given a two sided frictionite 00 near mint still with the original leather case.
Q: can I lap it like a normal hone?
Q: It has no slurry stone what would be the best sub.?
If it was mine I wouldn't lap it at all. Chances are it is probably flat enough and the original finish may be better than a lapped surface. I would use a nylon bristle brush under some running water. I had one that I sold. The slurry stone was of a different material. Probably softer than the hone. Here again, I would use it with water and skip the slurry.
If I was going to lap it I would use a DMT D8C 325 or better yet, a DMT D8XX 120. That is a relatively valuable stone as is. The less you do to it the more it will hold its value. IMHO.
The Frictionite didnt come with a slurry stone it came with a Rub-stone to get the stone clean remove the glaze and steel!
Enjoy!
How good is the finish from these anyways? WHy do they demand such high prices?? A fricionite 00 is comparable to a???
Atm.. the fine side is glass smooth and the more course side is more fine than my norton 8k
Good question, I hear a lot of hype about these. Was this made by "Norton" The one that went for over $1000.00 on Ebay? They were talking about it on razor and stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by brooksie967
Is the finish off it comparable to an Escher, Jnat, What?
The edge of that norton stone is finer then a Yg Escher and cuts fast.Quote:
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So fast you can refresh the edge of axe in 5-10 strokes which in a middle of a competion is a huge
edge to beat the other guys.
Cause they rare and nice stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by brooksie967
Simply reality when supply and demand work well in a marketplace.
Well i heard from a few owners of The Norton ax men hone and its the king of barbers hence the price they command. The frictionite a strong second for sure both very fine barbers hone. As far as what they compare to? difficult to say since they are fast cutting hones so only a few passes needed, they are for managing a shave ready edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by zib
I've never had the norton ax man's hone so I can't comment on that. Comparing to an escher is like apples and oranges AFAIC. Take an escher to an ax competition and see how long it lasts. Those 'guaranteed soft' labels we see on some of them were accurately describing the composition of the stone.
The frictionite 00 was one of the American Hone Co's models. First in Olean, NY IIRC, and then in Morovia, Iowa. The earlier ones came in a green pouch with the rubbing stone, the later in a paper box, also with the rubbing stone.
It is a barber hone used for touching up razors. That is the extent of it. It is one of the better barber hones made for that purpose IMO. I'd also rate the Swaty and the Itsapeech up there with the 00 frictionite. Randy is the guy to ask. He forgot more about barber hones than most guys know. :)
OK, this is a completely rhetorical question-"Why would anyone pay $ 1000 for hone? The is totally business and creating the fake market. Soon a regular user will think that if you want to buy a razors you will have to be a millionaire. When I see such prices I think that we move away from our ideology of using razors, seriously! "
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With all due respect, and just IMHO ..... 'a fool and his money are soon parted.' :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by proximus26
( Thomas Tusser circa 1557) ;
A foole and his monie be soone at debate,
which after with sorrow repents him too late
Alright, as someone that's never even held a barber hone, can you guys dumb it down for me a little? Someone mentioned they are for 'managing a shave ready edge'. So, you go through your progression, set the bevel, move to your norton 4/8k for arguments sake then take it to a higher grade synthetic or a finisher. If you've taken your steel to a 12k or 16k or greater synthetic like a shapton, then move to an escher/jnat etc, why would you put it on a barbers hone? Why not go back to the 8k and finish your progression as per?
Sorry if i've made this more complicated than necessary, just wondering where these tools fit in! If you've finished on a finisher, why take it to a barbers hone then strop and shave again????
Y'know those smocks with two waist pockets that barbers used to wear ? In one of those pockets old Frank Natale used to keep a Swaty barber hone. When he would be shaving a customer if the razor wasn't quite keen enough to suit him, and the strop wasn't bringing it back to quite enough keenness, he would grab that Swaty and do 3 or 4 round trips on the dry barber hone. Put it back in his pocket and resume the shave. That is what it was for.Quote:
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A guy who isn't a barber but shaves with a straight razor ..... like me for example. Keeps a Swaty (could be any barber hone) in his medicine cabinet. In the same case as aforementioned , if the razor needs it and I am in the midst of a shave, 3 or 4 round trips. Going back to the regular hones would be reserved for later when free time was available.
It's not barbers who are paying big prices for hones, or shavers. It's axe men, and almost exclusively they're going to australia.
I sold a bunch of frictionites that a friend of mine had (frictionites and super punjabs). The first one I opened only to the US and it didn't bring much. The rest, I opened to australia and they sold easily at prices I'd consider pretty high. All went to a single woodsman and none to shavers.
I did use one of them before I readied them for sale, or two actually. One super punjab and one #00 (same abrasive). They have a superb feel with clean water (i can't think of any reason to lap them other than if they're out of flat, they need no slurry). I got a nice keen edge that didn't razor burn me like a synthetic 12k stone would. I did not use linen, just straight to leather.
They are a cut above every other barber hone I've used, and easy to use because honing all the way to the edge won't yield a harsh edge, but it's not shavers that are supporting the high prices.
Well,
maybe my statement will be bold and I can`t compare (in fact I should not even to write what I`m writing as I never had or used #00) but pretty good (and as we know natural stones vary in quality) LI finishing on oil brings really good result too. I wish to compare blade from #00 and LI on oil. I still have several hones which I never had time to lap. Someone from SRP forum even mention that two of them are Eschers stones and from what I heard and this are really good stone too. Also (recently) I have read about this South African hones. DaveW my question is where is #00 placed in this "race of perfection"? Top of all natural stones or top of all synthetic stones? Is it something you can answer on assuming at least you had experience of some of the stones I have mentioned. Thank you!
Easier to use than most natural stones and finer than most when used on water. Not finer than an escher on clear water so far as I can tell. Finer than a standard barber hone and finer than a norton 8k. Whether or not it's finer than a stone like a naniwa SS 12k on water, I'm not sure. The edge is more comfortable, though.
That is at least my assessment of two later manufacture hones - 1970 or so moravia iowa stones.
Still waiting on my zulu, so I don't know how it compares to them. I also don't know what the abrasive is in a frictionite stone, so I don't know how they'll work on stainless steel razors. I did my testing on a solingen-made carbon steel razor. I can't remember what it was exactly, but it was not a softer english razor.
All that said, if you have a good LI finisher that gives you a comfortable keen edge, unless it's fairly coarse or you are putting a lot of pressure on it, I don't think there's a lot out there you're going to gain much from.
It's like anything else in this hobby, A lot of personal preference. Jimmy nailed the point home. Barber hones were kept in the waist pockets of the traditional barber jackets for fast touch ups. Makes sense when you think about the physics of it. They couldn't carry a Coti, or an Escher.
I've never used a Frictionite, but I do have plently of Barber hones. I keep a Swaty out by my razors for quick touch ups, 3-5 laps, that's it.
The Frictionite 00 and the Super Punjab used the same type & grade of abrasive. That abrasive is no longer available.
The Barber hones are intended as a touch up/maintainence hone. JimmyHad described their use correctly. I will add that I have my grandfathers Frictionite 00 and it is the only hone he owned. No other razor grade finishing stones.
The current high prices are due to the scarcity and excellent reputation. They are simply no longer being made because the abrasive is now not available. The laws of supply & demand are now in effect.
Are they better than other razor finishing grade stones/hones? That really depends on your personal preference.
Yea those Axe men over their are the must awesome folks in the world when i used to buy some manmade hones off ebay to resell theyQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveW
always got shipped off to that country with good profit in almust no time.