hi i am new to straight razor shaving, and i wanted to know if i set the bevel on a 1000, then a 3000 then jump to a 12,000 for polishing, is that too big of a jump? even if i spend a good while polishing the edge on the 12000
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hi i am new to straight razor shaving, and i wanted to know if i set the bevel on a 1000, then a 3000 then jump to a 12,000 for polishing, is that too big of a jump? even if i spend a good while polishing the edge on the 12000
Typically it will be said yes that is to big a jump. But there are things you can do to make it work.
First do you already own these stones?
And if you do what stones are they?
It is a relatively big jump, but it can work. If I were you, I would choose something in the 4-6k range instead of the 3k. You might also want to consider the 4-8k Norton combo. Many people like it here. http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...on-2012-a.html What brand are the stones you intend to buy? Just curiosity, all of them work good.
This is a wide jump, but it can work.
In general terms, a 3,000 stone will take three times as many strokes to reach the same bevel as a 1,000 grit stone.
Set the bevel on the 1,000 then I would recommend 30-40 laps on the 3,000 followed by 120- 160 laps on the 12,000 followed by 80-200 laps on leather. That would be shave ready for me.
Good luck
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Originally Posted by deejaykamoe
The problem with what you're asking is that no one hones razors this way AFAIK so most answers you get will be theoretical at best.
Adding something in the 5k-8k range before the 12 would make life easier.
Is there a reason you wish to attempt this approach ?
i bought these stones a while ago, theyre no name natural japanese waterstones from ebay, theyre to sharpen my knives, and i got a gold dollar razor to practice honing etc before i try it out on my good razor. so the reason why i use these is because its what i have already. otherwise i would buy a 4000-8000 which i think i just might do.
how many passes should i do to set the bevel on the 1000? i tried last night on all the stones and its sharp but definitely not razor sharp.
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Originally Posted by onimaru55
There is no standard number of passes, in any stone or progression. Experience is the best way to know. After that, you can buy a loupe, and check if the bevel line is straight. There is also thumb pad test. Take a look at this link Sharpness tests explained - Straight Razor Place Wiki
You tried to hone the razor yesterday or your knives? The razor sharp feeling on knives usually means thin bevel, and the edge will not last for long.
For razors, the above link will help.
i tried my razor
it couldnt pass the hanging hair test
Any pictures of you r stones or links to where you bought them?
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Originally Posted by deejaykamoe
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Really ????
How did it do on all the other tests ???? did you try the Shave Test
here
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ml#post1117599
this is my 1000/3000Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
TAIDEA 1000/3000 Grit Knife Sharpener Corundum Whetstone Sharpening Stone T0961W | eBay
this is the 12000
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/221191551451?...84.m1497.l2649
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Originally Posted by deejaykamoe
That Chinese 12k is a notoriously slow stone especially if you're trying to refine a 3k edge. I know Lynn & Glenn did the whole 1 stone honing trip with one but I'd bet it's not their preferred honing method. ;) Unless you're happy to spend a bunch of time on each stone do what I advised before & bridge a stone between the 3 & 12.
Forget the HHT @ 1k & reserve it for a stropped edge & only then with hair that you know can be cut with other razors, a DE blade will do to calibrate. Shaving arm hair is an adequate test @ 1k but as with the stock market it's best to have more than one indicator to guide you.
How many passes would you say is slow on the 12k 200?Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
i have as set naniwa 800-5000-12000 and they work well.
Someone of my friend said that is big jump from 5000 to 12000...but isn't true.
The 12000 is a fantastic stone to polishing and revitalize the blade
Yes I had one that was that slow but I used it after an 8k not a 3k. Possibly correct use of slurry may speed it up but you have a learning process ahead of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by deejaykamoe
The OP has a natural stone known to be a slow stone not a synthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by kratos86
5 -> 12 k in a known synthetic progression is not a big jump. You just use the 12k a bit longer than if you had an 8k in between.
thank you for explanation :D
No problemo. I missed it too till OP said it was a natural stone. ;)
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Originally Posted by deejaykamoe
Maybe you could get yourself a cheap KING 6000 grit to make the jump to the 12000 a bit simpler. I have one and it is a decent stone to use.
Someone once posted that the KING 6000 may well be actually closer to 7ooo or 8ooo grit. If there is any truth to that, it would be truly a good buy for your jump.
Jerry
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If your 3K stone is one of the smoother ones like the naniwa super stone and you start with a thick slurry on the Chinese "12K" hone, slowly diluting with one or two drops of water I see no problem. Most of the honing is done on the 1K anyway, after that you're just refining the edge. GSSIXGUN did a video with a Chinese 12K going straight from 1K to the C12K, I learned a lot from that video, not only about the C12K but honing in general.
Start with a medium thick slurry on the C12K and firm pressure and dilute slowly and ease up on the pressure, it will get you there.
I think those Chinese 12 naturals are highly underrated, mainly because they're cheap and vary a lot between stones but the one I have works great, fairly fast and gives great edges.
Can someone tell me a good formula of passes i should do on my 1000 to make the bevel, passes for the 3000 and passes for my 12000? I tried honing and i think it might be either overhoned or not honed enough. Im a newbie to this. Im testing on a gold dollar so i dont care about ruining it
Thanks
A formula like the pyramid method won't work on a razor that needs the bevel set and only those grits available. You do have the makings of one stone honing. As long as your GD does not have any serious issues, continue as below.
If the bevel is still factory, put one layer of tape on. Do 20 circles on both sides, evaluate the wear pattern on the tape. If you don't mind what that looks like take the tape off and don't look back however; if you want the spine to be pristine keep the tape. If no serious issues show up keep going. Badly ground stabilizers is a very common issue. Now 20 more circles with pressure and test for a set bevel, TNT LRT TPT. Continue with the circles with pressure until the razor almost passes the tests you choose. Now do 20 circles with very little pressure and 10 x strokes, test and repeat until it passes. Once the razor passes do 10 more minimal pressure x strokes.
Now do 100 passes on plain leather, followed by a test shave. Replicating the Beginners, The 1k shave thread. It wont be a great smooth shave but it must shave well.
If the shave test goes well move on to the 3k. If using tape don't remove the worn tape just add one layer. 20 circles and 10 x strokes with light pressure. 10 more x strokes with minimal pressure.
From here on will basically be one stone honing on the 12k. For this see Gssixgun's Chinese one stone hone videos. He communicates much better with the video than I could with text.
Part 1
Part 2
Enjoy the learning curves
Jonathan
Yeah, those video's are the ones, great info in there and I learned a lot from them.
Because of this I got me a chosera and a big Cnat like the one Glenn used only to make it easier on myself I usually use a 3K and/or a coticule in between but it's great to see how it can be done right of the 1K chosera.
The Chinese natural is a great hone, mine doesn't see much use anymore since I got a Japanese natural but after discussing it here I honed a razor on the Cnat last night and had a great, close and comfortable shave with it.
I lapped the smoothest side of it to use with razors and the other side I use for my knives as I like them sharp too.
I think get a reasonably priced hone to fit inbetween the 3 and the 12 is still the best bet, naniwa 8k, or a kitayama I heard is good as well but some people say its more like a 10k so i'm not sure. norton 4k/8k seems to be very popular too.
the king 1k/16k might be good as then you have 1 3 6 12~ and king's hones are very reasonably priced.
Indeed! My king 6k is ceramic smooth! Lol well almost! It is a bit slow and thirsty ! Usually u can get them with the 6k slurry! And this speeds up the process alot! I go super heavy slurry with the 6k all the way to just water... I do believe this stone behaves like a 7k ... I like this stone... A bit narrow compared to naniwas/nortons doe! Thats the .02 of a noobQuote:
Originally Posted by mrsell63
My King 1k/6k acts more like a 8k on the fine side, especially if I start with a nice thick slurry and then move to plain water by dilution.
