Today I saw here this stone. Whether really it is ESCHER or a fake? I didn't see such stones never. Any judgement is interesting.
J G Escher Wasserstein Gelbgrün Rasiermesser Juchten Razor Strop Germany Top | eBay
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Today I saw here this stone. Whether really it is ESCHER or a fake? I didn't see such stones never. Any judgement is interesting.
J G Escher Wasserstein Gelbgrün Rasiermesser Juchten Razor Strop Germany Top | eBay
I don't know much about them, however, it looks authentic to me.
Definately the real thing, that one will fetch some "Beaucoup" bucks!
If you have any information about when the stamps on Eschers were made if they were. Why does the lable look fresh ? Maybe some businesmen who can produce modern Eschers have appeared in Germany.
That seller has a lot of positive feedback, 6 neutrals, 1 negative in almost 1500 transactions last 12 months. It's not like I can read German, and I don't really like the neutrals, but I would think that it's hard to keep 1500 customers completely happy in the internet antiques world. Have we ever spotted an actual fake stone?
I have no complaints about the seller .I have been intrested in honning of straight razors for three years. And I already have three different Eschers. And now I can't define if the stone is genuine or not. I think that the seller may be not aware of it all the more.
The stone, labels, ink stamps and packaging all look consistent with the real thing in my experience. I've seen another Escher Y/G in the same cardboard box, no end label but Gelb Grun ink stamped on the honing surface. It was years ago and it was the older label that didn't have & Sohn, but it was very like in terms of the product. Someone bought that stone many years ago and put it in a cabinet where it remained in near pristine condition. IMHO.
Thanks to all who helped to identify this stone. Yesterday I took away it. Huge NOS ESCHER!
Congrats, nice score, is museum quality.
This was my bid some minutes before my pc cracked, unfortunately I don't use sniper program.
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IMHO you were very lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushdoctor
Maybe from some point of view .......Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Way over my budget, I can hardly believe it!
716 euros it not small means too. But for me they had no value here.
My maximum rate was $1500. All of us were lucky, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushdoctor
It is a great collectors piece no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruslan
I am sure it will give you some great edges too.
You have to gives us more pictures later and tell us how it hones.
Crazy prices that some people are willing to pay for stones!! :dropjaw:
If the old whetstone makers could see this today they might go crazy in a second. :beer2:
1889 the price for a dozen hones in the size 10x2x1 inch yellow green was 11 German mark (around 7-8 $ today). 1912 the prices raised to fantastic 12.5 Mark a dozen! For that really hard work the whetstone makers had to do……….
Well but congrats to the stone Ruslan.
The label – not the stone itself maybe- is indeed something special. It indicates relatively exact in which time period the stone was sold.
When you look at the label you found two company names.
J.G. Escher Sohn and IGES. Whereas the second name seems to be only an acronym for the first one, there have been indeed two companies with this different names existed for a short time period.
The Escher company traded under the name J.G.Escher Sohn from around 1906 on. In the year 1927 the company was split into I.G. Escher Sohn and IGES – two companies which worked autonomous.
The company IGES moved from Sonneberg to the little town Unterlind, later Theuern. Firm owner at this time was a certain Rudolf Schwarz who was also the last owner until the company was dispossessed in 1953.
J.G. Escher Sohn went into bankruptcy in 1930 and was taken over by IGES again.
Since both company names are on the label, there is a high probability that the stone was sold somewhere around 1930.
Also this seems to be the prove for JimmyHad’s suggestion, that the 2 man barbers scene is newer than the 4 man barber scene- which is labeled Escher & Co.
For the stones with the Escher Sohn or IGES label themselfes, they came from other quarries than the older stones. Some literature sources stated that these ones didn’t have the same quality than the older stones (“… these mines have been opened to gain cheaper Whetstones….”) but this is not proven. Also this could of course be an older stone which is labeled and sold later.
So have fun and enjoy owning this great stone! :rock:
If can help here's label of mine, an old one, with german language.
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Nice collection. Only trouble is if you want to use that hone you either loose the stamp or you have to remove the label and lap it.
Why is a single hone worth that much? No, seriously can someone explain? If I buy one will it sharpen my razor for me for the rest of my life?
I have noticed that people get excited about them and I know nothing of them so would be glad to know why they are special.
Once you try you will know.
Eschers are very collectable, and a pristine one with all labels and stamps will cost a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by edhewitt
It will not sharpen your razor for the rest of your life, you will have to do it :p
The stone will last a few generations if used correctly.
There other hones that will do the same job.
So the first lapping on that is gonna be worth $500? Well I guess if you can afford it, want it and will enjoy it, recon you guys should have all got together, and instead of bidding against each other just agreed to share it or something :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Depends how you think of it, did you buy the stone to use it or to collect it?Quote:
Originally Posted by edhewitt
I personally buy stones to use them, and as such for me it is not important to have all the stamps or labels.
What will us, the poor Jnat enthusiasts, do at those meetings?Quote:
Well I guess if you can afford it, want it and will enjoy it, recon you guys should have all got together, and instead of bidding against each other just agreed to share it or something :-)
If it will make you feel better, even the mintiest Escher is far from expensive compared to the rocks that come from Japan.
i sort if got the impression it was for use, but maybe not. I am a firm believer that if you are just going to look at something and are not prepared to use something for its intended purpose (however rarely) someone who is should own it. Saw a program about kids toys with James may, he bought a toy train at auction, brand new in box, one he wanted as a kid but couldn't have, first thing he did was bust it out and play with it, after all that us its purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
But don't take me too seriously, we live in a world where you should be able to do anything you like that doesn't adversely affect anyone else, and collecting expensive rocks certainly falls into that category, notwithstanding I am still astounded.
Prepare to be astounded fairly regularly when it comes to the hobby, prices of some vintage razors can get pretty high as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by edhewitt
I've noticed. :-) good job I am content with what i've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
Of course, I am not going to use this 10-inch-length Escher. My consciousness will not allow me to remove the stamps and to lap the stone. Let it be saved for the descendants. Due to mainaman with his marvelous video “Nagura Honing” I have been using J-nat. (Thank you, Stefan, I especially like “the socks of the master”). Although from time to time, it depends on my mood, I can work with Eschers.
As for the price on these stones, it is a philosophical question. You have to pay for pleasure.
well this is true, and it yours to do with as you wish, though I find more pleasure in using something for its intended purpose than looking at it. But not everyone is me I suppose. Enjoy :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruslan
Often, when I see that someone has posted their latest acquisition, I'll joke about my jealousy and false anger over their good fortune. The truth is, I enjoy seeing them happy with what they've acquired and I admire them for having the means to seek out and obtain what makes them happy. I understand not actually using this beautiful stone, but it's Ruslan's hone, I would have equally as impressed if he had lapped it and put it to work. Congratulations on a sweet addition to your collection.
Can't you lap and use the bottom side? That sounds like the best of both worlds to me.
