After months and months of pining for a hone, I won this guy from Ebay. I have watched the coticule honing video and I'm going to try my hand at it. I'll post the results, good or bad :w
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After months and months of pining for a hone, I won this guy from Ebay. I have watched the coticule honing video and I'm going to try my hand at it. I'll post the results, good or bad :w
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Good luck! What size is she?
Its 6 inches by 1.5 inches. I'm convinced the hone is broken. I tried to set a bevel on two razors and didn't have any luck. Despite having never honed a razor before, I'm positive it can't be me and my (lack of) skill :w :w :w
Hi Jonah,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonah
I went down the route of a coticule bout for my "one stone solution". I learned different methods but mainly tried the unicot method. Itwas hard work and if I'm honest a bit demoralising. Setting a bevel was just too difficult, so I ended up getting a King 1k/6k combo. Bevel set but I've not been able to get that super smooth shave I've got on other razors honed by people who know (i.e Neil Miller)
A friend of mine was recently in the US, so got him to bring me back some Naniwa's (1k, 3/8k and 12k) plus a DMT325 as the prices are almost 40% cheaper than here in the UK. I can't wait to try them out this week as I think you can learn a lot easier on synthetics than naturals.
I look forward to the day when I can gauge what grit my coti is and then use it appropriately.
Good luck with the learning curve.
Ok Jonah I just about spit coffee with that one,,, :roflmao
Looks like ya found a nice hunk o rock there,
That's a good one! :rofl2: :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonah
Jonah,
Nice stone. Coticules take some time to learn, and each is different. Now, just looking at yours, it looks like a hard stone to me, and better suited for finishing. A slurry will aid in honing. As far as setting a bevel goes, The best of luck to you. I normally break down and grab a 1k.
Don't try to set a bevel right off the bat. If you have razors in need of a touch up, I'd try that first. Start small. Learn the stone. There are some tests you can do to see how your stone performs, like scratching the surface to check it's hardness. A good visible scratch is a soft stone, and nothing visible is a hard stone. This test makes more sense when you handle several Coticules. Also, creating a slurry, and doing some backstrokes to see how quickly the slurry darkens. This will help you gauge your stones capabilities. This is best with an old razor.
Good luck to you.
Rich
As Zib already posted above not every coticule is good for one stone method. I also use my ones in conjunction with synthetic 1000 stone.
1k Bevel-Setter here too....I got into coticules hoping to do "one stone honing", but I've found that it's much more easy to set a bevel on a 1k then it is on a coticule. Not that it can't be done, it just takes a while...
Nice stone, btw!! :D
Nice stone!!
I use a bevel setter as well, it just takes to long with my coticule. If it has a natural blue coticule backing, you can use that as well for honing. With practice you can get a really great edge from a coti.
I have a bbw/coti on order from srd. I should get it this week. I was looking to use a synthetic progression progression up to 12k, then the coti with water only for the finish. Or should I use the bbw side after the bevel and then finish on the coti? I know grits are in an extremely broad range with naturals. I have read that bbw can be in the 4k range.If so, then bevel, bbw and coti?
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Originally Posted by bill3152
The BBW - Coticule finish after the bevel set is basically the old way of thinking,, Honestly I really like doing that progression on much older Sheffield razors, it takes a little more time but I feel it gives a very smooth shave... I am thinking back, but I am pretty sure most of the Stub Tails I get in, go out that way :)
Try it both ways and see for yourself
I just happened to get a big box from SRD. My chosera 1k, and my coti/bbw combo. I did just that. Lapped all three set a bevel on the chosera.( seems faster than the norton 1k) and raised some slurry with dmt on the bbw and did 10 sets of 20 circles, slurry broke down, dilute, 10 laps, another slurry 10 sets, then 20 x strokes on water only. Hit the coti, same slurry with the dmt, same 10 sets of 20 circles, etc. Then water only 20 x strokes. The coti feels sticky. Anyway no hht off the hone, 75 leather and I got a HHT3 i would say. Im used to 4s and 5s with film and my new jnat. I will shave tomorrow with it. If my progression is off or any advice, Im all ears! Thanks! Oh BTW I used a modern TI. Thats been my guinea pig lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Not sure if I read that right.. But if I did, then you did over 400 circles combined ??? after a bevel set ???
Yes. Short circles into the slurry. Actually 800 combined 400 bbw 400 coti.
That is a whole lotta honing...
I know the new TI's take a bit more strokes since they are so hard but if i had to guess I would go back to the Chosera. I suspect a U bevel instead of a V bevel. The bevel will cut but not pop
PS: I personally don't like to use any slurry on the Chosera. For naturals a little helps but I think most overdo it.
I watched a video of Maksim from JNS honing on a j Nat, and doc from B&B on a jnat doing a large amount of short circles , many more than I did. I don't think it took me 10 minutes and since naturals almost aren't capable of over honing what's the big deal then? The bevel was not u shaped as I did test it for sharpness after the bevel. The edge grabbed the wet thumbnail so it was set. And passed hht after strop. And i dont have a wire edge or bur. I haven't shaved with it yet but my guess is it will be a good one. And isn't that all that matters?
I didn't raise a slurry on the chosera, water only.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1holegrouper
That is a whole lotta honing....
And you are saying that is after the bevel set :dropjaw:
I think perhaps I am not understanding you correctly about 800 circles. and then more laps...
I'm another advocate of a 1k synthetic for bevel setting. I have tried a few and settled on the 1k chosera for bevel setting. I've messed with the bbw/yellow in a progression in the past. I guess I got decent results. Been years since I did that. Now after a bevel set I'd be going 4/8 synthetic followed by finishing on a coticule or some other finisher. Fun to experiment though so try different combinations.
Did I forget to mention that the Wade and Butcher you honed for me was the test run?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I kid, I kid. I have brass, but not that much :rofl2:
I have amazing news everyone, it's truly a miracle. When I was sleeping, the hone fairy broke into my house and swapped out my coticule and slurry stone with a set that looks IDENTICAL to it. I tried my hand at honing a BJ Eyre Challenge razor this morning. Before I hit the hone, the blade could barely saw through hair. I went through the heavy slurry circles/x strokes, misty slurry with x strokes, then x strokes with water and it took an edge quite well. I was even able to shave my neck with it. It would probably benefit from my Naniwa 12k, but I'll definitely take this as a big win. There truly is a sense of accomplishment when shaving with a razor that you honed up.
Mighty kind of the hone fairy to help me out :angel:
congrats ... i love my coticule edges .... i was getting my razors close to where i wanted them when i first got my coticule ... and have a fast one i use if the bevel dont need much to reset , since then ive only used my coticules and zulu stones and after A LOT of playing around i got a good system that works for me and my results are consistent and awesome on my face .. if your like me the more you use your coticule the better you will get your edges and honestly i prefer my coticule edge to any other i have !!!
