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    Quote Originally Posted by ace View Post
    That doesn't look suspect to me. Did you complete that edge with 1K only?

    I stayed on the 1k as advised checking periodically under the scope until the edge was as clean as it would get. Then I spent a good while on the 4k as I don't have a 2k. I did my usual polishing on the 8, 16 and 30k - I do laps until the blade sticks nicely and move on - that equates to about 10-15 passes on each stone.

    Hope I have a good shave tomorrow am with this razor as I really like it!

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    After the 8k, add one layer of tape per Tim Zowada and do 5 no pressure laps on 16k with wet lather. Then keep your hands off the 30k. Strop and shave.
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    Agree with Bill, bevel is not set.

    Looking at your 1K photos, on the left side you can see, 2 vertical stria at the end of the bevel and a ragged edge/micro chipping below these marks at the edge. I suspect the bevels do not meet at 1K. At 4K the two marks are right of center, chipping is still present. You can follow the stria on each progressive photo and confirm you are looking at the same spot, the chipping is still there.

    As the honing progresses the micro chipping does not change in this location. I can see some 1K stria on the bevel at 4,8,16 and 30K. You really see it at 30K.

    When you take photos or are just comparing your bevel/edge at different grits and have a problem, make sure you are comparing the same part of the edge. I find a dot of Sharpie ink makes a good reference point.

    What types of stones are you using in your progression and how many laps are you doing at each?

    I suspect too much pressure at 1K, the bevel is not set and not enough time/laps at each progression. Too much pressure and not finishing on the 1K will cause problems further down the progression. I have seen this, bevel setting with a DMT and not spending enough time at the next grit to hone out all the deep diamond stria.

    Look at the 1K edge straight down, on the edge any shiny spots are where the bevels are not meeting.
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    And that is the problem with the HHT and why many do not recommend it as a definitive test of sharpness. Typically we put a freshly honed razor to a hair on our arm and nothing happens, immediately we move the razor to another part of the edge and a hair pops.

    So what did we learn from that “test”? We learned that one small part of the razor will cut hair, another will not. The bevel is not set, you are probably very close, but it is not set. If we convince out selves that it is set and proceed to the next stone in the progression we may get lucky and the 3 or 4 K will complete the bevel set, if we spend enough time on the stone.

    The next time we hone, we say, X strokes set the last bevel and X strokes on each progressive stone polished the bevel and I ended up with a perfect edge. And that is what we do except, it does not shave.

    I have read Glen say this many times, “The Razor, will dictate what you must do to accomplish …X” If you were luck and ended up with a shaving edge, you have taught yourself to hone based on a false premises.

    You must hone a razor until the two bevels meet. The razor will dictate what it will take to get there. Not a formula of X amount of laps or a HHT. If you test 1, 2 or 10 hairs, you will only know that those 10 spots on the razor are sharp enough to cut hair, not that the entire bevel is set.

    Looking at the whole bevel on edge, is a much better test or visual cue as to preliminary sharpness of the edge. Then test your arm hair. If there are any shiny spots on the edge, do more laps on your bevel setter until the bevels meet along the entire edge.

    Thanks for the photos, with out them we are all just guessing, trying to help you.

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    Hope your shave goes well. Looking forward to hearing about it. Have you tried Glen's 3 2 1 trick on the 30k? Something else to try if tomorrow's shave isn't what you were looking for.

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    Shaved this am and it was perfect!

    The extra time spent on the 1K did the trick - it was one of the best shaves I've had yet.

    Thanks for all the help - now I have to rehone another razor that had the same problem... will post pics of the progression...

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    Congrats, staying on the bevel setter long enough to really set a good bevel was one of the hardest things I had to learn.

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