after reading these I can't really remember who said what but I've been at honing things all my life. knives, hand and cross cut saws, axes, chains for saws pretty much all kinds of blades. but when I started to hone razors that was a different animal. it took a lot of practice and watching Glynn and Gssixgun on the u tube to get where I didn't scream when I shaved or bled to death. knives can get pretty dog gone sharp but not sharp enough for my face. remember we are shaving not scraping a hog:rofl2: once you get as good as the two gentlemen I've mentioned (I'm not) then it is easy until then we all endeavor to preserver