I got my Norton 4k/8k and flattening stones yesterday. Soaked them today, flattened both sides and beveled the edges. Then I got out a cheap razor and did the simple hone that Lynn demonstrated in one of his videos. That is an X with 5 on 4k, 5 on 8k, 1 4k, 3 8k, 1 4k, 5 8k. Wow, the result I didn't expect is how sore my upper arm is. Razor did not pass the HHT but I didn't expect it to. Just wanted to feel the experience. I think HHT also is a problem for me because I have extremely fine hair. Nonetheless, I won't take any of my good razors to the hone until I've practiced a lot with the cheap razor. Besides, none of them need a hone right now. ;)