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09-13-2016, 10:17 PM #11
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09-14-2016, 12:12 AM #12
I have had similar experience with my Wedges as well. Tugging and pulling. Until I laid the blade flat on my face. Deadnuts flat and I fell in love with mine. Angle of attack was my culprit.
Its passing all the tests. Please keep us updated with your results.Your only as good as your last hone job.
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09-14-2016, 12:21 AM #13
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It sounds like you are "Chasing the Edge" every now and then you have to step back and look at it through different eyes
There were some of the older Harts that were honed and needed to be honed with two layers of tape..
That being said you need to learn to Torque the blade toward the edge while honing, almost like turning a screwdriver
If you want I will pm you my address and I will hone it at no charge so you can get another set of hands and eyes on it, shipping is on you honing is on me
I have only seen one Hart out of quite a few that I thought had a bad temper, seen a couple that had questionable geometry back when they started,, but all in all recently their QC on the steel has been pretty good
The offer is there on the table
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09-14-2016, 12:31 AM #14
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09-14-2016, 12:42 AM #15
Thank you all for your posts. At the moment I took the Hart back to the stones with 1 layer of tape only, re established the bevel with a quarter of the pressure I normally use and the bevel was set without any reflection from my phones led flashlight! I finished the shapton glass stone progression to 16k. The edge looks better than ever! I do believe I was using way too much pressure. I will shave test tonight to report back with results.
Glen I am very thankful for your offer, pending tonight's shave will determine whether the razor sets sail or not
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09-14-2016, 04:10 AM #16
Sorry but I won't be able to shave until tomorrow afternoon, I will then update! Thanks again gentleman
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09-14-2016, 10:59 AM #17
I used to have issues with my Harts when I took up honing.
I was making 2 mistakes.
1. Too much pressure.
2. Over setting the bevel, . You can go too far when setting the bevel.
# I think the terminology is, cutting behind the fin.Last edited by JOB15; 09-15-2016 at 06:31 AM.
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09-15-2016, 02:29 PM #18
I am a Honemeister now!!! Just kidding however last nights shave was one of the smoothest and most comfortable shaves I have ever had. No aftershave sting at all!!! I repeated the process with two other razors I have to confirm what I was doing wrong and they all shaved wonderfully
Okay, what I have learned so far...
1. I was...embarrassingly using way too much spine or downward pressure at bevel set and through the whole progression since I have started honing I did this by using two hands and baring down on the poor razor. My reason for using two hands was I had a hard time honing with one hand from the beginning keeping the blade on the stone evenly (dexterity impatience!!!). The way that I corrected this was to use 1 hand by pinching the tang only....like Lynn's videos, this way I was limiting downward pressure 75% less and I used a 45 degree angle to help me learn the dexterity I needed to torque the blade but not roll it on the edge and have to start all over again. This helped me take it slow to set the bevel (it really didn't take long at all). I used a bright LED flashlight from my phone to make sure there was no reflection from the edge before moving on.
2. I have not been torquing the edge of the blade to the stone. This is probably in combination to my number 1 problem, I am thinking they go hand in hand if you do one then the other must be wrong also.
Other curious findings, for me doing circles counter clockwise really hit the center of the blade to the toe and circles clockwise really nailed the heal to the center of the blade. I don't know why but this really helped honing the whole blade. I would finish with heal first 45 degree X strokes until the edge felt smooth on the stone then on to the next stone.
I really appreciate everyone's help, I needed to pass some of my theories as to why my honing woes persist via some pros to confirm or deny so I can find the missing piece to the puzzle. I also hope this helps someone else! Please ask me any Q's I am much better at finding what I am doing wrong first before I learn the right way LOL!
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09-15-2016, 03:33 PM #19
Congratulations on your success. It is not brain surgery or black magic, lol.....
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09-15-2016, 03:35 PM #20
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Thanked: 3215Pressure, how much and where is usually the key, for most new honers. How much, is difficult to tell someone to use, other than, more or less.
The difficult thing for new honers to accept is, you have to do, what each razor needs. Two identical razors, can hone very differently, and most will need more attention, at the heel and toe. Formulaic honing rarely works for all razors, they are just guides, looking at the bevels and edge will quickly tell you where you need more work.
Changing directions of the circles, will change the pressure. If you hone a lot, you will eventually learn to feel the difference of the bevel on the stone, but it is just one test, and it takes a quite a while to calibrate.
A visual test, is more consistent. Look straight down on the edge, if you see reflections, the bevel is not set. Then, just remove, all the previous stria from each stone in the progression. Make sure to remove all the circular/angular stria, with finishing straight or diagonal laps, or it will cause you no end of problems in the higher grit stones. I often use circles to set a bevel and again on the transition stone, 3 or 4k to remove all the deep 1k stria. Then finish with straight strokes, before moving up. Straight or angular laps will show you, if you have removed all the angular stria.
Test, test, test, I use the Thumb Pad Test, Hair Test, and Visual with 100X, looking at the bevels and lastly the edge. If any tests fail, back to the stone. Do not rely on a single test.