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Hey guys been awhile since I posted.. re visited the 12 k naniwa today after trying many different styles of stones over the past years, I forgot how lovely the 12 k is as a finishing stone or a in between stone before I goto a suehiro 20k..My bevel is set by chosera 1k, then chosera 3k then suehiro pro 5 k.then to the 12 k ..the naniwa is easy to use for the new guys out there and you will get nice results
It's true, APC. It's true! Seems you have been absent?
Welcome back! For the last couple of years, I've been using the Naniwa 12k as the
"gateway" stone to every other finisher I've tried. It's a benchmark: consistent and
repeatable.
I also jump from the SS12K to the 20K. Really enjoy the edge this gives. I have been experimenting with chromium oxide and iron oxide on a paddle strop to see how it affects the feel. Not enough shaves/razors to draw a conclusion but it appears that it softens/mellows the razor a bit.
Yes, a bit of that goes great even after a 12k edge at times.
Works wonders when it does! ;)
This is all good to hear. I have a Naniwa SS 12k being delivered today. It's my 1st finisher - I've been using lapping film so far down to 1 micron.
Should be a fun weekend.
How did you like the lapping film for razors? I DLF for knives but have not tried it on razors.Quote:
I've been using lapping film so far down to 1 micron.
IME 1um film followed by a few light laps of 1um film over damp paper gives an edge nearly identical to a 12k Naniwa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robini
The stone is a lot less futsy.
Light strokes on the 12k, this a great stone and I think you will enjoy it very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHouston
Add some dishwashing soap on the very last strokes.. it will make a difference
I'm actually struggling to get a good lasting edge with my 12k, even with just 10 light strokes. From what i can tell with my loupe i must still be over honing or something. got any tips?Quote:
Originally Posted by Airportcopper
Overhoning is over-blamed for bad edges. Try more strokes, not less. Make sure everything is 100% up to that point- bevel set perfectly and you should be able to shave off the 8k. Then do 20-30 laps with no pressure. Or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin
Don’t be afraid of it. You can’t destroy a good edge with a few extra laps on a 12k. If it was that unforgiving it wouldn’t be a very good stone at all!
That's what has me so stumped (the fact that everyone say how great and easy a stone it it) i've been shaving off the 8k for years and finally broke down and got the 12. It was after getting my Riga- Razor which was finished by the maker with a Naniwa Gouken 12k, But even with that the first shave was amazing and the second not so much. Always seem grabby and not as smooth.Been chasing that edge for months now. Not happy with my edges at all now.
Ive been kicking around the idea of dishsoap for the last laps on the 12k. Think i might give it a go next time. Thanks for bringing it up. My edges are getting much better now and the 12k is really starting to work for me.
Sorry i cant help on why your edge dont last very long. I dont think its the stone.
Are you having the same issue with other razors? If not, could it be the razor steel? I am curious as I have been seriously considering a Riga. I have not heard any other commentary regarding dissatisfaction with a Riga...Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin
Naniwa recommends not using soap on their hones, however there was a professional sharpener [ozark edger] at Howard Clark's meet that used Dawn daily to clean up his hones with no problems. Several people were taken back when he put the Dawn on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gasman
Good to know. Thanks for the heads up. Was just thinking of something to help get the most out of the stone. Sure dont want to go with oil.
I've been having the same issue with all the razors i've honed with a 12k. i'm still very pleased with the Riga and would highly recommend them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robini
Try introducing a misty slurry into your 12k finishingQuote:
Originally Posted by tintin
can i use my course DMT? Do you agree with the idea that I shouldn't be afraid to use more strokes?Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I use my 325 DMT but it is pretty worn :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin
I think the slurry will give you a more "Mellow Feel" to the edge it won't change the actual keeness
As to the amount of strokes, see that gets tuff I believe the edge is built much lower and all the finisher should effect is the feel
Have you taken the 1k bevel set challenge ??? Can you shave at 1k ???
The step ladder challenge is even better
Grit numbers vary but basically
Shave at the 1k bevel set
Shave after the 4k level
Shave after the 8k Level
Shave after the Finisher
Do only 20 laps on clean leather before each shave
You can just do a couple of test strokes to get a feel of the edge at each level but this really teaches you what each step is giving to the final edge
You can also add or subtract ideas at each level to see what they bring to the final outcome
#SumFunHuh
The dish soap was meant to use on the lapping film not the 12 k.. Sorry for the confusion.. Try to torque the razor very lightly towards the edge..misty slurry is your friend on the 12k as Glen stated.. Bring the 12 k with you to the sink when you shave.. Try 10 strokes..and so on til you feel what your looking for an a edge.. Everything below 12khas to b balls on for the finisher to really give you that kick
you'll love the 12K SS. That's all I used until a friend showed me the Suehiro 20K. Now I also go from the 12 to the 20 when I hone a razor. It's easy to get spoiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHouston