Honing Stroke Orthodoxy

I'm still a relative newcomer to the skill of honing. The orthodoxy is that the 'X stroke' is the preferable way to finish a razor, while the 'half stroke' and 'circles' are used for removing more material earlier in the honing progression. In fact, many scoff at using a half stroke to finish a razor. The rub is there are some very respected members who use the half stroke to finish razors. So...........why is the half stroke not in the mainstream of finishing techniques? Or is this just my perception and half strokes are indeed excellent finishing strokes?

On a related note, is it not easier to see your progress if you remove stria in a different direction of the stria you created on a coarser stone? What are the 'cons' of not doing so? If I use half strokes on my 1k hone, and x strokes on my 4k hone, will I more easily see how well I've improved the bevel and therefore the edge? The natural extension of this would be to use half strokes on my 8k and then x strokes on my finisher of choice.

Thanks in advance for helping me expand my knowledge base!

I think the lack of pressure becomes more important when you're finishing the razor and regular x-strokes might be easier to be more pressure aware than half strokes.
But I'm not saying one is better than the other, or one is the right way and anything else is wrong, no.
Whatever you feel the most comfortable with and get the best results with is all that matters.


That said, I've done half strokes on an Escher wit slurry before and finished off with regular x strokes, worked rather well and sped up my work. Easy going on the pressure though.

In the end, I believe, everyone finds their on way to honing success. Personally, the only time I do circles is to correct some problem in the bevel at a specific spot where more metal has to be remove. Other than that I use X strokes to hone a razor with the odd back stroke thrown in for good measure. For me, it was whatever it takes to get you there established by experimenting as you go.

Bob

Practice with them all until they all work for you...you will see that it really doesn't matter. I don't recommend circles after bevel set, but that's just me. Key is what works for you and that you learn more and not be stagnant thinking there is only one way to attain a quality edge.

Thanks for the responses! It almost feels like discussing the half stroke in any more than a bevel setting capacity is akin to touching an electrified 3rd rail. And is there merit in removing stria in a different direction than the previous stria created?

There are threads on this if you search, more than one person has taught us to see how our honing is progressing to change the angle of the stria. Heel leading , toe leading then straight up and down, this way you see which is still there. As so with half strokes and circles, the library us full of these topics, but as bob said do what works for you. Most f the time you will see that these aggressive steel removal techniques aren't needed much past the bevel set, after that it's just polishing the bevel , so not much metal needs to be taken out. Tc

What's a half stroke?

I think when finishing a lot of people find it important to monitor the undercut of the water, how the blade is contacting the stone and the feeling/touch one is getting when making a stroke. The thinking may be when doing half strokes that its more difficult to observe/feel these indicators. I'm not sure, as its not a stroke that I use regularly. If I do use it, it is at the bevel set stage and usually with a harder steel razor.

However, I do find that some circles under running water on my coticule when finishing can help the process along, when followed by X-strokes. Just my experience.

I'll chime in here. A half stroke is up and down the stone, one full pass, but not turning the blade over at the other end.

I try to limit my use of circles to just bevel setting. Now i have used half strokes up to 5k but not beyond. The X stroke is all i need after 5k. Just my opinion and way ive learned to hone.

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Originally Posted by JOB15

What's a half stroke?

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I'd like to tell you but this is a family friendly site. Lets just say mission aborted. :angel:;)

Bob

Just a couple of points


Japanese Style honing

Kamisori honing


Nuff said

The only downside I've seen to half strokes is that any edge trailing stroke is more likely to draw out a burr. Generally speaking, edge leading X strokes don't do this, and for the most part half strokes don't either though I have done it on a 1K hone. The remedy for this is simple, just takes a few normal X strokes to knock any burrs off before moving on to the next step.

Technique also varies stone type to stone type. With fast cutting synthetics standard X strokes with edge leading will be plenty to get you through, especially on the higher grit stones where it will usually only take a small handful of strokes to get the desired result. Natural stones cut slower, and I tend to use half strokes all the way to the finishing stage, with a few regular X strokes thrown in here or there to ensure that I'm not forming a burr even though that's far less likely with a slow cutting natural.

But there's more than one way to skin a cat. All that matters at the end of the day is how pleased you are with your results. :beer1:

There are many many paths that lead to the perfect edge, and they are all correct. When you are first learning, if you follow one persons technique until you can get predictable restults, you will find yourself with a good foundation from which to experiment from. Personally I chose to follow gssixgun videos for my foundation, and branched a little from there. meets are a great place to learn new stuff. I wish I could have started there. I think one of the ways I have seen many new guys get confused is by trying to listen too and try too many different techniques at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Midway

I'm still a relative newcomer to the skill of honing. The orthodoxy is that the 'X stroke' is the preferable way to finish a razor, while the 'half stroke' and 'circles' are used for removing more material earlier in the honing progression.
Pretty much sums up razor honing in a nutshell.

In fact, many scoff at using a half stroke to finish a razor. The rub is there are some very respected members who use the half stroke to finish razors.
Really ? Haven't heard anyone here recommend it

So...........why is the half stroke not in the mainstream of finishing techniques?
Mainly because you want to finish up evenly & one stroke per side will do that whereas multiple strokes will not be as accurate.

Or is this just my perception and half strokes are indeed excellent finishing strokes ?
Speaking generally, on single bevel tools like chisels, Jp/knives etc this is an accepted honing method because of the geometry. You form a burr on the bevel & it is removed on the finest stone on the reverse side, (Ura ). Guys here tend not to go for burr formation on razors as it leads to uncomfortable shaves. You can of course do whatever you wish.

On a related note, is it not easier to see your progress if you remove stria in a different direction of the stria you created on a coarser stone?
Nope, not really. You should mostly look at the edge to see it refining, not the bevel.

What are the 'cons' of not doing so?
None really. In fact it may save you steel by not excessively honing for an aesthetic reason.

If I use half strokes on my 1k hone, and x strokes on my 4k hone, will I more easily see how well I've improved the bevel and therefore the edge?
Nope, because the strokes will all be in the same direction, unless you hone toe leading.

The natural extension of this would be to use half strokes on my 8k and then x strokes on my finisher of choice.

Thanks in advance for helping me expand my knowledge base!

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WOW! Have not seen such multiquoting in a good spell. Well-done, Oz!
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Originally Posted by sharptonn

WOW! Have not seen such multiquoting in a good spell. Well-done, Oz!
:roflmao

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Nothing like compounding an opening post, huh. :rofl2: ,,,, that's already compounded.
I got lot on the 4th sentence.

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Originally Posted by Hirlau

Nothing like compounding an opening post, huh. :rofl2: ,,,, that's already compounded.
I got lot on the 4th sentence.

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If you mean lost, yeah. Had to read it 3 times! :D

It all made sense in the end!