Belgian Coticule stone info (Videos & pics)

Re-post...in connection with server crash


How Coticule is formed:
http://membres.lycos.fr/minbe/coticu-e.html



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Coticule cutting, polishing (approx. 2 min.):
http://www.shaving-and-razor-shop.co.../Coticule1.wmv

Coticule cutting, polishing (approx. 4 min.):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

Coticule honing (approx. 14 min.):
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...94301842672864



PHOTO
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Coticule stone mines I:
http://tchorski.morkitu.org/1/coticule.htm

Coticule stone mines II:
http://tchorski.morkitu.org/1/coticule2.htm

Thanks Joel! Great links!

Thanks for those links! I love the belgian stones, they're just beautiful.

The guy in the honing video puts quite a lot of pressure when he's honing, thats something I haven't seen before. Does anyone else out there use this much pressure?

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That guy in the vid is our very own Alex (LX_Emergency)

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Originally Posted by jalapeno_peppah

Thanks for those links! I love the belgian stones, they're just beautiful.

The guy in the honing video puts quite a lot of pressure when he's honing, thats something I haven't seen before. Does anyone else out there use this much pressure?

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Well.....yeah. I do:D

Since it's my video.

Since I made that I've updated my arsenal with a larger coticule and a blue as well.

I put that much pressure on it to establish a bevel, with plenty of slurry it's very easy with a yellow. Once the bevel is established I easy up though.

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Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

I put that much pressure on it to establish a bevel, with plenty of slurry it's very easy with a yellow. Once the bevel is established I easy up though.

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Alex, I know you use the coticule as an all-round hone more than most here, but I'm curious, do you do major bevel work on the coticule? Do you use it for example to put a totally new bevel on an ebay junker with microchips, bad steel, etc.? Or just on razors in relatively good shape? Do you have a low-grit hone, or do you manage completely on just belgians?

I do have a low grit hone as well. Nowadays I use that mostly for bevels. But At the time I was making the video (and in that video) I only used the yellow. Period.

It took a little more time but worked just fine. Just get plenty of slurry going and it's actually quite a fast little stone.

Alex, thanks for the video!

I've been kind of drawn towards natrual stones either a Japanese or a coticule so it was quite intresting to watch it. I guess I missed the size of the coticule you used, 1.5 inch wide(?) and how long is it?

Good question. I'd say somewhere aroun 3 inches? 3-4 inches or something. And yeah, between 1-2 inches wide. It's a little bit of an irregular form but it works excellent.

Hi Alex!

Yeah, thanks for the great video! I wasn't even aware of the fact it is you in the video, I just realized this by now, hope you don't mind that I posted your video.

Apparently the Coticule industry goes along way back in time. I've been told that the 'back in the days' the Romans loved the Coticule stones and
even had about 2000 permanent slaves to mine the stones for them.

Recently I bought an old 47 page booklet about the Coticule honing stone industry, I don't know how your French is but let me know if your interested.

I'm still a newbie and use a natural Coticule combo stone (50x200mm). Although until now I haven't been able to get completely satisfactory results,
I must say that the edges get better every time. At the moment I'm wrestling with my Filharmonica #13.


All the best,

PS: How's the Cade?

Hey Joël
No problem. I put the video online to be used. So no problem on posting it. I've posted it myself previously. So you can show it/post it wherever you like.

My french is actually kind of crappy so that won't help me much.

If you ever need help with that stone and you're in the Den Bosch/Oss/Einhoven Area let me know. I'd be happy to help.

Also, the Cade is EXCELLENT. I love the stuff. It's seriously become one of my favorite shavey things.

Which reminds me, I owe you shipping money for that stuff.

Hi Alex,

It happens rarely that I'm you're area, but thanks for your invitation, I'll keep it in mind.

I'm glad you like the Cade and that the tube found it use. Never mind the shipping.:tu

Enjoy

Believe it or not it's the first time I watched that famous video of Alex. Good job Alex :)
Joel, thanks for putting all this together - nice to have all this coticule stuff in one place.

Coticule Hone Lapping 101 - by Josh Earl
http://straightrazorpalace.com/showthread.php?t=16043

Coticule Close Up Shot - by Chrisl
http://straightrazorpalace.com/showthread.php?t=16262

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Originally Posted by gugi

Believe it or not it's the first time I watched that famous video of Alex. Good job Alex :)
Joel, thanks for putting all this together - nice to have all this coticule stuff in one place.

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Thanks. Glad you at least had fun watching it.

Great video, Alex! I just saw it yesterday. I think my mind's been made up--I'm picking up a blue & coticule from Howard this week!

Question, though: I know you used the coticule to set a bevel on an EBay special, but would the same technique work on a blue first (more pressure at first & easing up once a bevel has been set)? Or is the blue not that great for setting bevels?

(I plan to pick a DMT 1200 also for really big jobs, but my shaving budget will only permit so much @ a time! I just placed a big order w/ TGQ for soap & a new brush...:D )

I am a noob i have a small coticule combo stone,from my personel experience with this stone i was not able to establish a bevel on some ebay razors, i had to use wet dry sand paper in order to set the bevel.Also from all the posts i have read at this site seem to indicate the same thing that the blue will cut to slow.U will need the 1200 dmt or some other stone in order to set the bevel.Mabey some 1 with more experience here will chime in but for that seems to be the case.

The same thing pretty much works on a blue. Nowadays I use a blue first and then switch to the yellow. At the time I made that video I didn't have a blue.

And as for belgians being slow cutters....that's simply a matter of using more slurry. More slurry=more cutting speed for me.

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Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

The same thing pretty much works on a blue. Nowadays I use a blue first and then switch to the yellow. At the time I made that video I didn't have a blue.

And as for belgians being slow cutters....that's simply a matter of using more slurry. More slurry=more cutting speed for me.

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I currently have a Norton, how much slower are a coticule?

Since I'm a bit curious about these hones what size do you recommend for the yellow, 8x2 or is a 6x2 just as good, if you don't mind doing more strokes because of the smaller size?

I'd say 6x2 is just as good. You don't ever really need that much. If you check out the earlier given link you'll see that I'm using a coticule that's MUCH smaller than 6x2.

I can't really compare to the Norton's however since I've never used one. But I hear the Norton's are a lot faster. Saying that though I've never seen/heard anyone that overhoned on a coticule but it seems to be a common thing on the Nortons.

Nortons cut much faster than a coticule. So you can get a lot more done in less time, but on the 8K you need to watch out for overhoning.

As for size... You don't need large stones. 6x2 is plenty big enough to work with.
But personally I like 8x3 stones.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Nortons cut much faster than a coticule. So you can get a lot more done in less time, but on the 8K you need to watch out for overhoning.

As for size... You don't need large stones. 6x2 is plenty big enough to work with.
But personally I like 8x3 stones.

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Bruno, LX_Emergency: Thanks, I'll try the 6x2 from Howard

nice post i enjoyed it and it answered some questions on honing and stropping i had