Barber hone to fix up a rolled edge

This morning, having slept very little during the night, I had a very bad shave... I think it was due to very poor stropping technique because I was very tired and distracted while stropping. I suppose that the shave was so nasty because I rolled the edge. While stropping I was always hearing this high-pitched sound that was not pleasant. So... I suppose I did roll the edge. Or maybe I just didn't strop right...
So this is my question: will a touch up on a barber hone (carborundum 108) fix this, followed by CrOx and decent stropping? Or will I need to go to some sort of other hone like a coticule or something?

Another thing is: is it possible to over hone on a barber hone? This one appears to be a slow cutter (at leats the previous owner sais so and I trust him) and I think I've got the hang of it so far... but is it possible to create a wire edge on such a thing? If so, what can I do to reach the conclusion that I did create such a thing and what can I do fix it.

Thanks in advance!

i have barber hones and none of them slow cutters tough don't have carborundum .can you overhone buy using barber hone my answer will be yes.now if you have rolled edge then do this.take cromium oxide put on strop(maybe it is already in it) then keep your strop not so tide as stropping a little loose then strop it razor again.that loosenes will take rolled edge out.againchromium oxide should me on strop not paddle strop.this is easiest way.next if you have belgian then you can useit and get rid of rolled edge too.lastly wire edge then you will need new bevel to put on.if my understanding correct wire edge is=saw tooth.
hope this information helps

I think a few strokes on the barber hone should do it (3-5) and then a few laps on a strop done correctly should do the trick, and then some chrome ox if desired. If you overhone on a barber hone do not forget to backhone to correct the situation, if you over hone you will know it when you shave or rather rip and tear your whiskers from your face.

Thanks for the replies, guys!
I'll see what I can do... unfortunately I have neither a belgian blue nor a coticule. All I have, honing-wise is CrOx and a barber hone. Therefore I have to acess what exactly is wrong with this particular razor... any tips? The only test I can perform is the HHT - but that is a "parlour trick"... I'm scared out of my jammies of the Thumb Nail test or the Thumb pad test. Because I don't know how to do it... I'm affraid I'd either ruin the edge or my fingers. And I need my fingers... :eek::rolleyes: So... any tips?
There's also something else I'll have to do: I'm not sure if I'm using lather that is too dry or even if my face can handle being shaven everyday... I'll skip my shave until next monday and then shave again with the same razor. But I'll do the strop thing and check where I'm at...
Recapitulating: 3 to 5 strokes on the baber hone after some 5 to 10 on CrOx (hanging strop with a little bit of slack). Correct?

Thanks!

Barber hones seem very prone to overhoning.

Here's a very interesting thread that covers many issues on barber hones.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...agreeable.html
I suggest to pay special attention to the posts of Puffah: he was the king of this thread.

If you dulled the edge with a stropping mishap, it really depends on how bad you messed it up. Sometimes it takes a minor touch-up to get the blade up to par again. Sometimes it takes a full honing. You can try the advice already given. That never hurts.

About lather: the wettest lather that doesn't run of your face is the best.

Good luck with awakening that edge!

Bart.

I wouldn't go by sound when stropping because many hollow ground razors will make that high pitched raspy noise. Its actually a good sign. If your using a standard leather strop you should have some draw on the strop. If that is the case it at a minimum means the razor is very close to shave ready depending on the amount of draw.

Hey Francisco! With that particular hone, I would back-hone 2-3 passes about every 20 normal laps when refining the edge back to "normal".


Good Luck!!

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Originally Posted by joke1176

Hey Francisco! With that particular hone, I would back-hone 2-3 passes about every 20 normal laps when refining the edge back to "normal".


Good Luck!!

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Sorry, Joe... but I can be rather thick sometimes... Care to elaborate? :o

But as an update: I'm going to allow my face to heal from yesterday's scraping and see where I'm at... Maybe It was just poor stropping technique. If so, lesson learned: do not strop when feeling sleepy... that's why I started stropping the evening before... :o But still, I'm not sure what the problem is... Please, keep the advice coming. Thanks! :tu

I suppose I really need a Coticule or something... my birthday's coming up really soon!

Before going to the work of honing just carefully strop the razor and try shaving again. That might be all it needs.

If it is still disagreeable then go to the barber hone for 10 laps followed by the chrome ox, 10 laps, clean the blade then strop on plain leather hanging strop and shave test again.

Thats what I would do,:)

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Originally Posted by fpessanha

Sorry, Joe... but I can be rather thick sometimes... Care to elaborate? :o

But as an update: I'm going to allow my face to heal from yesterday's scraping and see where I'm at... Maybe It was just poor stropping technique. If so, lesson learned: do not strop when feeling sleepy... that's why I started stropping the evening before... :o But still, I'm not sure what the problem is... Please, keep the advice coming. Thanks! :tu

I suppose I really need a Coticule or something... my birthday's coming up really soon!

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You aren't thick, I was just vague. What I meant was this:

Make approx. 20 passes with edge leading, then make a few with the spine leading. I do this until the razor is TPT and/or HHT sharp.
When I think I am just about done honing, I will backhone 1-2 times and make about 10 regular passes before I go to the strop.

Since I have adopted this practice, I don't have any problems with overhoning anymore.

That hone is lapped flat, so that isn't the problem...

+1 for what Randy says (and what Puffah said in the other thread). I e-mailed this to you because I saw this when I was away from my own computer & didn't have my login password on me. To recap:

-- Try stropping (properly) on linen then leather to see if this straightens the edge by itself. Even if it doesn't, you want to try to straighten it to the extent possible before you start honing (no sense honing a rolled-over edge).

-- Barber hones are pretty much guaranteed to raise a burr. Deburr the blade by finishing your honing with 3 toe-leading back-strokes, then another 5 forward strokes. A back-stroke is just like a forward stroke, but backwards (with the spine leading, like stropping). You want to start the back stroke on the toe because you started the forward strokes on the heel, and you want to match that scratch pattern (I'm assuming you hone with an X-pattern).

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Originally Posted by joke1176

You aren't thick, I was just vague. What I meant was this:

Make approx. 20 passes with edge leading, then make a few with the spine leading. I do this until the razor is TPT and/or HHT sharp.
When I think I am just about done honing, I will backhone 1-2 times and make about 10 regular passes before I go to the strop.

Since I have adopted this practice, I don't have any problems with overhoning anymore.

That hone is lapped flat, so that isn't the problem...

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Thanks! That was clear enough... even for me! :o
I'll see what's up with the blade, the lather, the stropping and the strop... Learning this is trial and error so, this is part of the infamous curve. Maybe it was just a bad shave... :shrug: I guess I'll know on monday, right?

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Originally Posted by Johnny J

-- Barber hones are pretty much guaranteed to raise a burr... You want to start the back stroke on the toe because you started the forward strokes on the heel, and you want to match that scratch pattern...

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Since I have actually used this particular barber hone in question, I will have to respectfully disagree on the first part of your statement. It actually cuts pretty darn slow. It's really a finishing hone, unless you raise a slurry and use it like a coticule.

On the second part of the above quote, you raise a very good point. Matching the same angle/scratch pattern is very important, especially if the razor has some warp to it.

You've gotten really good advice here already:

• Strop on linen & leather first -- see if that straightens it out
• Back honing wil prevent wire edge problems

The only thing I would add is maintain patience and perseverance; you can restore your edge to shave ready condition.

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Originally Posted by joke1176

Since I have actually used this particular barber hone in question, I will have to respectfully disagree on the first part of your statement.

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You're right. Let me rephrase: MY hones all raise a burr, and I've been told this is a common complaint with barber hones. I don't own the hone in question, so IDK about it.

Quick update on this thread: my troubles are over! It seems that the problem was simply a sleepy morning and the result was very poor stropping. That's why the razor was rough and pulling. And since I have very sensitive skin (so sensitive that a light touch with a DE leaves my face all red and burnt up...) the shave was awful. But I thank you all for the replies... I learned a lot on this thread... And I learned a valuable lesson: no stropping before noon! :o