Hey guys,
this may sound stupid but I'm getting a combination stone with slurry sometime this week and I was wondering what side of the slurry stone to use on the hone?
I've never seen a slurry stone so I have no idea at all
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Hey guys,
this may sound stupid but I'm getting a combination stone with slurry sometime this week and I was wondering what side of the slurry stone to use on the hone?
I've never seen a slurry stone so I have no idea at all
If youve got a slurry stone to match your combo I think the best thing to do would be to use the blue side of the slurry stone on the blue side of the hone, and the same goes for the yellow.
Most slurry stones are natural; if it's not a combo, then you can use any side. Good idea to lap the surface you intend to use; if it's rough you scratch your main stone up unnecessarily.
If it's a combo slurry stone (I have a blue/yellow Belgian slurry stone for example) then you just use the side that corresponds to your honing stone, blue on blue and yellow on yellow.
yes both slurry and main stones are combination
so yellow slurry on the coticule side?
should i lap the slurry as well
what grit sandpaper would recommend?
how do you round theedges and corners properly?
should i do that before i lap or after?
thanks!
Yes, yellow on yellow, blue on blue.
Grits: if the stone has chips or cupping, start with something coarse, say 400 or so, until you get it flat. If it's pretty close to flat to begin with, I'd say just start and stay with 1000 grit. That's plenty fine enough to finish with as well, though some guys like to go higher.
Use pencil grids on the stone's surface to know that you've got it flat. Draw a pencil grid, lap til it's disappeared, then draw another and hopefully it will disappear quickly.
Round the edges and corners after you've flattened the surface. You can do this by holding the stone in one hand and making sweeping movements to sand the edge; if you vary the angle of the edge being sanded you'll round it (instead of creating a flat bevel). A rounded edge is better than a beveled one in my opinion; more forgiving. Do this with each edge. As for the corners, that's simple enough; just use common sense. One swipe on each corner is usually enough.
The point of all this is simply to have a flat honing surface with no sharp edges that you could chip a razor on if your stroke got a little sloppy.
I don't know what you mean exactly by "lap the slurry," but no, you don't do that. Slurry is just the milky abrasive substance that the stone yields when you're lapping it or honing on it.
My first two hones were a small blue and small yellow. I used the blue on the yellow to create slurry. It worked fine. :D
Well I just found out that the slurry stone I will be getting only has a yellow coticule side on it and no blue side.
What would you guys recommend for raising a slurry on the blue side then?
would sandpaper work?
All I have apart from the BB/Yellow is a barber hone so
Dups,
If the slurry you raise with the "cotigura" ends up purplish, I suspect it will be just fine. From what I understand, you need to break and shave some garnets loose by abrading the hone with a smaller chunk of abrasive material. This resultant slurry propbably won't care if the chunks of garnet (and they will be chunks of various size and shape) are donated by the yellow or the blue or both. To select the size of slurry abrasive particles you're going to need some super magnification and some really tiny tweezers - so I'd just go with what you get and appreciate the effects of slurry enhanced sharpening. :rock:
good luck, good honing,:tu
Rub a coarser grit stone against the blue. In my case, I rub a DMT 1200 against by BBW and it produces a nice purple slurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dups
To raise a slurry, I use:
1. A yellow slurry stone
2. rub two yellows together ( I like to do this with my vintage yellow -whch is a fast cutter- and my "green" coticule -which is a great finisher)
3, rub two BBW's together.
4. Use my Chinese 12k slurry stone
5. Use a DMT
To round the edges, I use the same technique as lapping, but on the edges. I kinda roll the stone from nearly flat to nearly vertical, if that makes sense.
Update:
I thought I was going to get a yellow slurry stone but the seller was kind enough to look through his stock and found a combination slurry stone as well.
I'll let you guys know when I get it.
It's too bad that all my 4 razors are shave ready right now.
I'm curious to see if I could go from Coticule/slurry - BB/slurry/ Coticule with water to get a razor from butter knife sharp to shavre ready.
I might just play around with my Double Arrow. Better make mistakes on that one than on one of my more expensive razors I suppose.
The irony! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dups
Good luck on your next honing sessions.
Betcha can. There's some crazy Belgian guy running around here that uses that exact progression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dups
I've read every word he's written about it, and it is a *very* good way to end up with a smooooooth shaver. This is hard to explain, so bear with me... for any given level of sharpness, the corresponding level of smoothness (to me, at least) is better off of the Belgian naturals than any of the synthetics I've used so far. The only exception to this is my Shapton 30k which gives an amazingly smooth edge. Granted, I haven't used all of the synthetics, but man... it's hard to imagine a more comfortable edge than what you get off of a good finishing coticule.
Now if you combine a Sheffield blade with a Belgian hone.... Well, it's something you have to experience for yourself. Literally a "Velvet Squeegee" experience. I'm going to snap up every Sheffield blade I can find, they are that smooth. And for some reason, they are even more so off of a natural stone than synthetic.
Sorry for wandering off topic :o but I'm just darn excited about BBW's, coticules, and Sheffield blades.
Watch your tone young man, or you'll have to wash your mouth with lather! :roflmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by FloorPizza
Looks like the stone should be here on Friday! This week feels like christmas! I got a nice scuttle this morning!
To paraphrase a famous quote, Beware the ADs of March". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dups
I'm a big fan of Barts yellow/blue belgian notes. (Thank you, Bart and SRP.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dups
I tried the same progression as above for a few weeks with poor results. (It's because I'm a newbie and not yet fluent with the subtlties of the various belgian stones.) Then I switched to the following:
DMT-D6E (1200) -> Blue Belgian with Slurry -> Yellow Belgian with Water
Instant shaves. (The secret was in the bevel-setting. I couldn't get a good bevel with the yellow slurry. However, that may change with more experience.)
Oh...and now I give it three strokes on the Itsapeech for good luck.
One day I hope to set a bevel on a yellow belgian. Why? I'm not sure. One less stone? (K.I.S.S.)
Christopher
I'm also hoping to minimilize the size of my honing equipment. The idea of having one stone do it all is very appealing. I don't think I'll really need to set the bevel on my razors for a while anyways. They're all shave ready so unless I truly mess up the edge or nick it, it should be good for a LONG time simply using the coticule and the blue when the yellow no longer suffices.
I'd also like to stay away from the cr0 as much as possible.
Recently I've been using some plain newspaper as well after the cr0. It sure gives a very sharp edge but I think it might also be a bit harsh on my skin.
Would going back to the cr0 for a few passes get rid of the harshness or would simply intense stropping doing it?
thanks,
JF
I've had that before were my edge has shaved perfect and i've wonderd if the paste has made my edge to harsh. when i did barts progression bbw then yellow that solved my harsh edge straight away .
Hi All,
I've also read everything about Bart's Coticule/Slurry -> BBW/Slurry -> Coticule/water progression (thanks for that Bart) but haven't been able to make it work so far. I just can't seem to get the razor sharp after many (200 - 300) strokes. I only have one Coticule / BBW combo so far but it seems very hard (from la venette) and doesn't seem to remove much metal (slurry color doesn't change much). I've also experimented with mixing the grits by creating a slurry on the Coticule with the blue side of my slurry stone. I'll keep at it because like you guys I'm also looking for a K.I.S.S. approach and like the idea of getting by with little. In the meantime however I have a few Naniwa SSs, one of which is a 12k, arriving tomorrow and I'll experiment with that also.
Cheers,
khat
Theoretically, according to Bart's progression, the coticule can do all the work from setting the bevel to do the final polish.Quote:
Originally Posted by khat
I don't have experience using Bart's progression (I use a DMT to set the bevel), but Alex (LX Emergency) has a video which shows him setting a bevel and putting a razor shave-ready using only a coticule. He raises a slurry and then he uses some pressure to set the bevel on the razor, then he reduces the pressure and eventually ends honing the razor only with water.
Apparently your Coticule is not much of a bevel setter. In that case, the progression chain is broken at the start. When I set a bevel on a Coticule, the slurry really becomes very gray (notice the color of these words). I'll try to shoot some pictures during tonight's honing session.Quote:
Originally Posted by khat
If it doesn't work for you, you really must use a dedicated bevelsetter (such a synthetic 1K hone or a DMT-E) or find a Coticule with those capabilities. Your Coticule will still be an outstanding finisher.
Speedwise there's serious variance in Coticules. Much more than in their finishing abilities.
Bart.
Hi Bart,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart
I have a 1k bevel setter arriving today. Thanks.
I'm less than 6 hrs by car from the source so if Ardennes Coticule are open to visitors I might drive over sometime this spring to buy and handpick a few stones! :-)
khat
Yes, they are quite hospitable if you contact them beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by khat
It's best to wait a few more weeks, till they have made their first stone extraction after winter. They'll be fully stocked again.
I'm going there myself by the end of April or so (still have to make precise arrangements with Rob or Maurice). Maybe we could compare our agendas and meet each other there. Just a thought.
Best regards and good luck with the new 1K,
Bart.
I've never been to Belgium and I probably will never have the opportunity to go. When I think of Belgium I think of the three greatest things that came out of there. Eddy Merckx, the greatest cyclist that ever lived, the coticule, and of course the wonderful chocolate.
You forgot Belgian beers. Belgian Waffles. Belgian Paintings (Van Eyck, Bruegel, Rubens, Ensor, Magritte...). Belgian Comic books (Tintin, Spirou, the Smurfs, and many more). Belgian inventions, such as the Saxophone (invented by Adolphe Sax), Bakelite (invented by Leo Baekeland, the Mercator map projection, etc... French Fries (yep, they were a Belgian invention). Brussels Sprouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Louis Hennepin.
And of course Hercule Poirot.
:D
Wow, that is impressive ! I knew a bit of that but not all of it. Wonderful stuff , I love Hercule whether reading the books or watching David Suchet's portrayals that bring the character to life but for me the greatest of all from Belgian is Eddy Merckx. Just a matter of my personal priorities. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart
:OTQuote:
Originally Posted by Bart
That only shows: one of the greatest things to have ever come out of The Netherlands, was Belgium...
";" ;)
That's a great idea! I'll contact you offline. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart
BTW. I read all the Tintin books in french when I was a kid and now that I'm learning german I'm reading the german translations :-)
Cheers,
khat
I love tintin aussi :P
Bart, I liked how you mentioned all those great things about Belgium, very well written. I've been in Belgium in 2007 and I really liked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart
Hmmm... belgian beer.... :o
Each country has its own great achievements and you have in a few lines told us a tremendous amount of great information about your own country. I wish there was more people that could speak like that about their own country.
Congratulations