vintage coticule

just got my vintage coticule in original box it was an old barbers hone.just under 5inch and just over 1inch wide. It was glued in the box for some reason i have got it out and the other side is bbw. Why is it barbers never used the blue side any one no? and how would they of used the yellow back then i have spoke to a barber that used natural coti i have seen it and he says they used it with water and he spent hours sharpening razors for his dad but when i mentioned slurry he did'nt no what i was talking about. He said he used only water what i carn't get my head round is how would abarber keep arazor realy sharp on a coti with just water

I think you answered it yourself..."he spent hours." Some of the barber manuals I have mention use of a slurry stone, and some Eschers came with slurry stones so maybe that particular barber slept through that day in class when they were covered.

recently people find out bbw side does have sharpening ability.good luck

Back in the '80s I talked to a lot of barbers about hones and honing. They used Belgian coticules but I never met one who called it a 'coticule'. They called them Belgian stones or more often soap stones. They used the yellow side and the ones that I knew used lather from their Lather King hot lather machines as the honing vehicle.

I have some vintage coticules and the two brands that came with labels are the Old Rock and the Deep Rock. Both have the label on the bottom. IOW opposite the yellow and covering not slate but BBW. Apparently the blue was not considered the honing surface back then.

I did buy three vintage coticules from barbers back then and they told me the yellow side was the side you sharpened on. IME you can get a razor plenty sharp on the yellow alone. Maybe not as sharp as using the blue and the yellow but I think that they got their razors as sharp as they wanted them to be.

Shaving other people the razor had to be sharp but smooth. I don't think that they would have wanted an edge equivilent to a feather straight as that would have been too sharp and harsh for what they needed to do.

A couple of months ago an ebay seller from Ft Lee, NJ was selling some of his father's stuff on ebay. His father had been a barber in NY from the '40s to the 80s. I bought a coticule in one auction and an FWE wedge in another.

That FWE was shave ready when it got to me and it had been sitting in a drawer for 25 years. It had been sharpened on that coticule by the father all those years ago. BTW, the coticule wasn't anywhere near flat. Makes me think that maybe I am too anal about all of this sometimes. :shrug:

http://straightrazorpalace.com/basic...p://picture003[/IMG][/IMG]picture of vintage coticule

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Originally Posted by Utopian

I think you answered it yourself..."he spent hours." Some of the barber manuals I have mention use of a slurry stone, and some Eschers came with slurry stones so maybe that particular barber slept through that day in class when they were covered.

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Ron, I don't know about the rest of the USA but in NJ up until the early '80s the state barber licensing board had an apprenticeship system. You went to work in a shop for a barber and learned directly from him. I would wager that a large percentage of those guys never saw a barber manual let alone a school. In around 1984 they changed the license to a beautician/barber and required school. No more apprentice program as it had been and the existing barbers were 'grandfathered' in. All new guys had to have the new license. I had a shot to do an apprentice thing with a good friend who owned a barber shop but decided against it.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

BTW, the coticule wasn't anywhere near flat. Makes me think that maybe I am too anal about all of this sometimes. :shrug:

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I often wonder if we all are about these things:hmmm:
Maybe it is all just an art not a science


Glad you like the hone Gary. The seller I got it from got it from a watchmaker in London!!
I'd have kept it, but times are hard.
M:)

jimmy I am a barber have been for 22 years we shave our customers with shavette and the guy i'm talking about is 78 and his dad had the shop i now own before him. And yes jim the 78 year old did'nt refer to the hone as coticole he said they used natural stones and i have seen it it was about 8 years ago and it was defanatley belgium it so dished and worn out we skipped it wished i had'nt now. i have some of his dads razors and i shave with them. i have a turkish chap who works for me and he has been shaving since he was 9 years old. We use perma sharp blades from turkey and they are the best.

you have to be very light hande with these type of blades if not your client be no about it. i have shaved a client with presharpend razor from lynn and still the shavette is effort less you can achieve a good shave with either it is too totaly differant techniques you need i find straight very forgiving if you can shave with shavette a straight will be a piece of cake. i'm tying to post picture do you no how i am strugling

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Ron, I don't know about the rest of the USA but in NJ up until the early '80s the state barber licensing board had an apprenticeship system. You went to work in a shop for a barber and learned directly from him. I would wager that a large percentage of those guys never saw a barber manual let alone a school. In around 1984 they changed the license to a beautician/barber and required school. No more apprentice program as it had been and the existing barbers were 'grandfathered' in. All new guys had to have the new license. I had a shot to do an apprentice thing with a good friend who owned a barber shop but decided against it.

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I had no idea apprenticeship based licensing was still around so recently! Does anyone know if there is any similar apprenticeship system still in existence? I'm not looking for a career move, I'm just curious.

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Originally Posted by Utopian

I had no idea apprenticeship based licensing was still around so recently! Does anyone know if there is any similar apprenticeship system still in existence? I'm not looking for a career move, I'm just curious.

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Well I wouldn't consider 25 years ago recent ....:shrug: but YMMV :)

Hairdressers in the UK go to colleage for part of their training, then with a recognised hairdresser to learn the rest of the job.

heres the pictures of vintage coticule bbw/coti combo

pictures of vintage bbw/coti

I have 3 coti now one select one kosher and vintage. how would i no which one would be the best polisher. they all seem the same to me just look differant. when honing feel slightly differant but not much. i would say the vintage one cuts slightly faster as the slurry goes greyish a little quiker and after 100 laps turns greyish with a hint of purple but does'nt create slurry very quikly like my other select coti that creates a clay slurry i dilute it down with water my kosher creates thin slurry just like vintage coti the vintage coti looks more glassy glazed which makes me think that it is harder and would be good polisher but it cuts fairly well hard coticules i've read are slower cutters. at least they all make mt razorssharp to shave with and i have not got one thatgives a bad egde.

By the way i purchased the coti of littlesilver bladefromwale and it is a realy nice hone thank you very much.

My pleasure:D

Nice Belgian coticule. it will serve you great.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Well I wouldn't consider 25 years ago recent ....:shrug: but YMMV :)

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Well, "recent" is a relative term. I consider apprenticeships to belong more to the era of Ben Franklin, rather than the era of Ben Affleck!

Ben who?:roflmao
I'm getting old :shrug: