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I recently asked "How many hones do I need to sharpen a straight razor?" I think the better question would be "What does each type of grit hone help with?" I would like to know the purpose of the 1000, 3000, 5000, 8000, 10000, and 12000 so I can decide which ones I should get. I looked at the Wiki page and it said approximately what some of them are for. Is there any more specifics than that? I guess I just have to use my judgement. Your help is very appreciated.
Thanks!
As many grits (Progression )you will get You will avoid making more mistakes.
Rest depends how much money you are willing to spend. if you can afford it go head get all or use double progression
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GL
I use my 1k to set the bevel, and everything from there is just polishing (picked this up from JoeD and I happen to trust him and agree with him). Here, hones are the same as sandpaper - each hone will remove the scratches from the previous hone and impart smaller and/or shallower scratches as the edge becomes more polished. Moving through the progression properly will allow you to totally remove the scratches from the previous hone while spending the least amount of time on each given hone. In that regard, you need to find what fits your budget and the amount of time you plan/have/want to spend on your hones.
PS I've seen the hone-sandpaper analogy used several times by various members, so I take no credit for it.
As a general rule, other things being equal, subject to personal preferences etc., <4K are bevel setters, 4K - 8K are bevel developers, >8K can be considered polishers.
Again, as a general rule, the lower the grit the more metal is removed.
I made a triangle once.... I wonder where it is? ..... Found it!!
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I like to use that idea when honing - kinda like the food group pyramid. (However, do not ask me what the triangle for my hone purchases looks like... :) )
James.
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
That's a good point. The lower the grit, he more metal to be removed.
Just what I am doing lately... Naniwa SuperStones, the 20mm thick ones with no base. I use a 1k to set a bevel and then the 3k and 5k in a pyramid as you would do with a Norton 4/8.
I shave test off that combination and if it is as good as I believe it ought to be I polish on the 8k. I if not I do more on the 3k/5k pyramid. I adapted this sequence based on the Japanese grit chart and what it said the micron sizes are compared to the Norton.
I know that knowledgeable folks say that you can't necessarily believe those charts but I tried it and unless I'm fooling myself the shave off of the 3/5 Naniwa feels as good as that off of a Norton 4/8.
When I polish with the Naniwa 8k it feels to me like it is a much finer result than with a Norton 8k. That is my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...do-i-need.html
Remember those Wiki pages are the condensed versions of actual threads and if you search through the links at the bottom you will sometimes find many questions asked and answered n the old threads...
Frustrated how are you doing? Are you getting the razor in shape?
The more stones you use the bigger chance to mess up the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
For some of the old wedges , the edge is not straight its an arch, so you might have to use rolling from heel to tow at some angle to the stone not using the spine for reference. The more stones you use for those the bigger chance of screwing up the angle and the edge.
@ OP.
I use 500 for bevel setting (when needed)
1k,3k,5k,8k,10k, CrO strop
If I had a 4k I'd skip the 3 and 5k stones, I am going to try my progression with 3-8k jump, I want to minimize the number of stones used.
I am contemplating getting a 12k but so far I am not convinced that 10-12k is too big of a grit difference to excuse the purchase.
Here's a wiki on this:
What hone(s) do I need? - Straight Razor Place Wiki
I would love to hear your explanation on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
how do you mess up using more stones?
will you be easier hone blade using 1,3,6, 8 etc stones or 1,10k stone?
I agree jimmy what pyramid are you using after bevel setting ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Gary it depends on the blade I am starting with. For awhile I was starting at 15 to 5 but since Lynn's tutorial in the Wiki I've had real good results with the 25 to 25 start and then following it just as it is in the Wiki here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gary haywood
When I did the alternative aggressive pyramid found here I found that a lot of the time I had to repeat it anyway so in many cases I just go to the more intensive one Lynn posted to begin instead. Of course if the edge is pretty good to start with I would opt for a more conservative pyramid.
I already explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
also I am not saying use 2 stones and that's it, please read careful.
the difference between 1 and 2k is small enough to allow to skip to higher grit. the difference between higher grits is even smaller. 4-6-8k for example is 1 store more than what will work equally well with 4/8k only. I see you are sticking by the x2 grit progression rule, and that's fine, in my experience other progressions work just as well.
I stated that I use 1,3,5,8,10k which obviously is not 1,10k .. I also think that in my progression the 5k is extra, but I'll have to find a razor to hone to test that.
I was not trying to say your progression is wrong or anything you can obviously use w/e progression you like as long as it works for you.
So once bevel is set you would go 25/25 15/15 10/10 and so on 5/5 1/5 1/5 aprox . on my norton i lways found 50 light strokes on 4k then 15 on 8k after bevel setting worked fine . with naiwas i did same process using 5k n 8k naniwa and my razor was'nt sharp enough and i had to go back. I just used 3k 5k naniwa and it worked the shave of 5k was good under my 30k loop the edge looks mint like its been polished on finer stone i wonder if any one else noticed this. After 8k naniwa do you use the 12k jimmy. i do think the 3k is more closer to 4k i wonder if any one else as noticed this if they have 4k to compare norton that is.
there is a differences what you do and what you do advice to new person to do.
Experienced person knows what is he doing. you can jump from 4k to 10k as long as you have enough time to waste and understand that progression will take time.
Now for new Person is different. he just starts and doesn't know how long and how much pressure etc he needs to use to get where blade should be.
That is why i said Depends on money and close grit stones(which means basically more close grit stones) will make him to make less mistakes.
I couldn't understand your comment
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The more stones you use the bigger chance to mess up the edge
Explanation which ends up same idea?
Which is i respectfully i disagree.Quote:
The more stones you use for those the bigger chance of screwing up the angle and the edge.
Doesn't matter number of stones you use if your strokes is not right you will screw up the angle.
Lastly
i don't use any Grit progression when i sharp razors. i use only natural stones except 1k norton to set bevel. Hope i was clear enough.
For those razors that are to be honed at an angle to the stone not flat on the stone (similar to how you sharpen a knife) you have higher chance to screw up the edge when using more stones than when you use less. Unless you can keep the same angle all the time with every stone. That was my point.
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Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
