Ok JNat experts is there any way this stone is worth $1100!!!!! I've never seen one on ebay this high before. They say it's a pre WWII stone.
No I'm not even thinking about buying it just curious.
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Ok JNat experts is there any way this stone is worth $1100!!!!! I've never seen one on ebay this high before. They say it's a pre WWII stone.
No I'm not even thinking about buying it just curious.
Very high quality stones of big size cost a lot of money. There are much more expensive stones than this one out there.
I personally trust only one J-nat seller that I would pay such money, for a stone.
Very true and I know the person your talking about and he is the only one I would purchase from especially taking about that type of money.
I have seen several on a Japanese website that were upwards of $3000. I just don't recognize the Kanji on this one????
I dont know why, but this always bothers me a bit. I guess it is just marketing.
Isnt every natural stone a pre-ww2 stone or "vintage"? Formed millions of years ago, before Hitler could grow a stache.
Very good point:-) I guess what they mean is the stones mined earlier were better???
Sorry to hijack.
I have no idea if it is worth that.
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Originally Posted by Gunner777
Although it might make sense, I personally would not assume that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunner777
I've seen someone post a site where they were way more than that. Makes an Escher look like a bargain and they are as good as it gets AFAIC.
Nah you didn't hijack anything:-)
I'm with you I'd take an Escher above about anything else especially at those prices.
I could probably rationalize buying one if I was wealthy and had many hundreds of razors or it was a full time business.
I dunno - never say never. A good Japanese natural is a thing of wonder. I have both an Escher and several Jnats, and I can tell you that the Jnats kick the Escher's butt, and smack the back of its head with a moist haddock for good measure.
It does not surprise me at all that a Japanese stone will go for that much - as others have said, you can spend 10's of thousands on a single stone if it is rare enough. Whatever you do, at those prices you better make sure the seller offers (and gives) full refunds
James.
Jimbo, I have a couple of JNats and one of them is a very nice finisher no argument there at all:-) I just have to question those that are thousands of dollars being that much better than several hundred dollar ones. Maybe I'd have to try one of the high end ones to really know.
A good point...I have a few J nats myself. A vendor showed my a Nakayama Maruichi Asagi for 1200.00. I had the very same stone, Almost Identical in size, markings, coloring etc...I paid 400.00 for mine. I asked him what the difference was, He had no explanation...
I've seen Nakayama's go for 1000's of dollars
Well, I can't say anything about that rock, but as for the whole "vintage is better", I can think of one argument that might be valid.
Basically, back in the day, the mines were still open. They were getting new rock, lots of it apparently, and they could pick and choose. They had chunks with few inclusions and promising coloration so they could cut where and how much they wanted.
Now, the major mines have been closed for years, though there are some minor ones still open, and they have less and less to work with. Stones are smaller, less regular, with more impurities and less of the really vibrant color variation on the whole.
That's not to say there aren't any really super quality new stones, but the averages are falling.
That being said, basing the price simply on age isn't quite right, unless you're a collector and not going to use it. Basing it on size, purity and coloration IS, however, going to find you with some very very expensive hones.
Also, please remember, these aren't necessarily razor stones-the guys buying the really expensive rocks are probably either expert woodworkers, working on temples and such, or sword polishers. Either of those two jobs, if you use anything less thanthee absolute best, you're putting your reputation at risk.
Also, that stone is not marked suita, it's likely a tomae.
It's really thin and irregular, and these stamps are very...new...looking.
I think someone may have misled the seller, because he generally seems to be aware of the goods. Of course, his use of the HGAL scale is a little suspicious...
Sorry to ask but could someone enlighten me about the aforementioned stone. I see no pic and no hyperlink.
Thanks,
Richard
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Originally Posted by riooso
Thanks!
Richard
Here is the complete link to it. Notice how new the labels appear and yet they say pre WWII???
JAPANESE NATURAL VINTAGE NASHIJI KITA SUITA TOISHI - eBay (item 260642313096 end time Aug-27-10 08:27:01 PDT)
This listing confuses me as there's no such thing as a Kiita Suita . It's one or the other
Its either from Namito strata making it a Kiita or its from Suita strata making it a Suita.
Oh, I just realised he spelled it Kita. Is that a different meaning to what I'm thinking ???
Yeah a bunch of fancy sounding Japanse words that are tailored together to mask the fact that the stone is of unknown origin. If the stone works great, but who will spare such $$$ to find out???Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
That was my point when I first saw it. It just didn't make any sense and I thought ok here we go again somebody who knows little about JNats trying to pull some unsuspecting buyer into the trap by making it sound fancy.
I'll be honest I'm certainly no expert on JNats by any means but this one smells :-) If I'm wrong I'll admit it but until then.
Anyone ever purchased from this seller?
I have gotten a few of his small slurry stones and they are very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scipio
Glen has a Kiita from him and IIRC said it was a good stone.
Many of these ultra expensive stones are coveted and collected in Japan and the honing qualities have little to do with the reason. It's about the rarity and coloration and origin. Probably they are great honers but those who collect don't use them as such.
Think about going to a museum and looking at the rock and mineral collection and many of the specimens are rare and higly valued.
Excellent news. I'm in the process of negotiating a deal on one of the hones with the vendor.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
JAPANESE ULTIMATE UCHIGUMORI- TENNIN TOISHI RAZOR STONE - eBay (item 220659724984 end time Sep-23-10 22:51:56 PDT)
I just negotiated this one. I cant wait to try it. I'll finally know how a high end Jnat compares to an above average Charnley..
I'll sure be interested in hearing how it works. I have one that has about the same colors.
Well I visited the stone we've been talking about and it didn't sell and has been re-listed.