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Hello chaps,
I am in the process of purchasing some hones and have the Naniwa 3K/10K combo firmly in mind, but am wondering about what to fit either side?
A price consideration would be the King 1K/6K combo, but I'm leaning towards the Naniwa 1K and 8K, which runs out a bit more expensive. I guess I won't be buying many more stones in my straight life, so any advice and input is appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
I would suggest the 1k, 5k and 8k if you are going to be going from start to finish on a budget. You'll need a lapping plate as well. A diamond plate in the 325 range being the usual though you can get along with sandpaper if you don't want the added expense. Later on you can add a naniwa 12k and you'll have the fine finisher too though you'll get a DFS with the 8k if you stick with that. Just IMHO. :)
id suggest the 3/8 combo then the 1 and 12k should fit on either end
What Jimmy said!
Mmm, interesting and not want what I wanted to hear:) as I really had my sights set on providing the 10k as a finisher (not in the truest sense of course). That'll teach me to ask for experienced advice, he he.
I guess that the suggested 1,5,8K does make sense in terms of a decent progression.
The trouble is, reading through this fine forum, there is much reference to 'finishers' and ending at 8k, i might be left psycholoically dangling. I do have a crox pasted balsa strop to follow on to the 8K though. As you say though jimmyhad, the 12K could be a later addition.
Re the 3/8K combo janivar, I can't find them in the UK :(
Decisions, decisions...
If you're in the UK, check Steve Dempsters site The Invisible Edge. He sells the full line of Naniwa stones at a great price and you'll be able to pick and mix then as they are not combi stones.
In honesty, you should be able to get a close shave right off the 8k. For years the Norton 4/8 combo was the go to stone for razor honing. Some guys had naturals that were higher grit than the 8k Norton, but a lot of guys used just that one stone.
I've been down as low as 3k and still been able to get a decent shave from a razor, albeit not as smooth as coming off a J-Nat or something! But the razor shaved and it didnt tear my face apart.
You can use your CroX strop after the 8k if you want to add a further level of refinement, but you dont HAVE to have a hone finer than 8k to get a good edge.
I'd get the 1/5/8k hones now and then add the 12k later on if you feel you need it.
Either side of 3k/10k?Quote:
Originally Posted by cj121
DMT D6E (~1k).
For finer than 10k:
Naniwa 12k
quality barber hone
Shapton 16k
Dovo black paste (~1 micron)
0.5 micron Chrome Oxide
0.3 micron Chrome Oxide
diamond sprays
or all of the above. :)
I'm still new to honing but the the King 1/6k combo seems to work well for me. I've also been looking at that 3/10K combo myself thinking that it would provide a nice progression; 1,3,6,10 at a good price :D
Mixing hones from different brands or series is usually not recomended sinse they can work werry different from each other (if you want to learn to use naniwas, then buy naniwas)
Lots of people here mix different hones during sharpening but most of them learned using one system first
In my opinion, the 1k side of the king 1k/6k cuts too slowly. makes it feel like a 2k stone.
might make more sense to grab a norton 220/1000, they are cheap and will provide you better results for bevel setting.
baseless Naniwa super stone tends to bow so it might be more reasonable to go with the base versions if you decide to go with Naniwa.
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Originally Posted by cj121
The 1k - 8k Naniwa will do you right, and take steps toward the complete set of SS's which IMHO are some of the smoothest cutters out there...
I have to agree with Brad/undream the King 1k is closer to other 2k's... Not a bad thing if that is your purpose in having it, but as a "Bevel Setter" it is a bit slow IME...
Cheers thus far chaps,
I was just about to post up that I'm going for the 1,5,8K Naniwa option, and read about the 10mm stones warping, thanks for the heads up mainaman. That potentially scuppers my plans as finances would dictate the thinner stones. They can't be that bad...surely??
However, I am going to get a universal base that supports both ends and the middle, so I hope that would alleviate any bowing issues:confused:
I'm guessing bowing might be attributable to holding a stone in the hand, or are they more prone to dimensional change due to other determinants?
Any thoughts on that issue folks?
Oh yeah, I'm getting a JNat finisher too:)
If anyone has an old Naniwa base they'd like to part company with, I might have someone who is interested....:hmmm::)
I don't own a Naniwa so I'm sure others will correct me if I'm wrong but I understood the warping issue happened as a they dried out and was worse if left close to a heat source such as in sunlight or by a radiator.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj121
One of the reasons I was considering a combo stone was thinking that due to it being 2 stones glues together they might pull against each other to maintain the right dimensions better, I could of course be totally be wrong there though!
Yes jeltz, I've read about that potential issue too. Hopefully there'll be more input over this aspect as bowing could take all the fun out of it ay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeltz
You'd figure 20mm would be more stable than 10 for sure, but with no base...mmmmm(smiley scratching head);):)
I know they don't generally require a dousing so maybe a light spritz as you work them might help in this regard. Let's see if anyone else can chip in.
Back when i soked my naniwas the 3/8 combo would open about 1/16" in both ends,
the 20mm 1 and 12k did not appear to be effected the same way
Now that im not soaking my hones it dont seem to be an issue
Well, I've just pulled the trigger on 1,5 and 8k 20mm, on bases:)
I'll be lapping off wet 'n' dry for the time being, as this was more than I was able to shell out, financially. However, my lovely wife is making contribution to the upcoming birthday fund:rock: I might even do some of the kitchen knives, instead of using my steel, at some point to show good faith ;)
I figure a 3k beckons in the future, to smooth transition off the 1k.
Thanks for the input gents