Lynn's Tips #2

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07-10-2006, 10:47 PM
Lynn

Lynn's Tips #2

If you guys ever receive a razor that has been poorly ground or has a lot of flattening of the spine and want to see how much honing you will have to do or decide whether to have it reground, here is a neat tip. Take either your Norton 8K stone or Coticule or whatever polishing stone you use and give the razor 5-10 X pattern strokes. Then, look at the edge and see if it is shiney all the way to the cutting surface. Depending on how far up the edge the shiney part is will be an indication of how much work you will have to do. If shiney all the way to the cutting part of the edge, you can start with a regular honing pyramid.

Good Luck.

Lynn
07-11-2006, 02:45 AM
trapperjohnme

Lynn: I'd love to see you make this tips stickies
07-11-2006, 03:43 AM
xman

Quote:

Originally Posted by trapperjohnme

Lynn: I'd love to see you make this tips stickies

Now that's a man with his thinking cap on.

Thanks for the Tip, Lynn! :)

X
07-11-2006, 08:35 PM
trapperjohnme

thanks Lynn!!:D Cant wait till the next installment
07-11-2006, 11:58 PM
Popeye

Waitin on the next one!!
07-12-2006, 02:38 AM
EdinLA44

Lynn,

That's an excellent tip. Thanks.

Ed
07-12-2006, 02:39 AM
EdinLA44

Test. Seems my post count isn't indexing up.
07-12-2006, 02:34 PM
FiReSTaRT

Don't worry Ed, you already got your 400 ;) Actually the site is a bit bugged this fine morning.

Lynn, that's a GREAT tip, especially for a psycho who spends hours upon hours on the hone (many of which are unnecessary). Now I can save a few of those hours and spend them polishing the blades :D I'm surprised some of us didn't get committed to mental institutions by our friends and families.
08-05-2006, 06:32 PM
Arnd

Thanks for the tip ...:)

Arnd
10-09-2006, 03:35 PM
mkilar

Japanese stones

All-

I had difficulty with the Norton stones, the 200/1k, and the 4k/8k, as they seemed to cut really fast. I'm sort of a perfectionist on these things, as I have been sharpening everything from tools to knives to str8 razors over the years.

Anyway, I came across a company selling Japanese water stones. After I submitted my order, they actually called me back and we discussed the purpose for the stones. I explained that as slow as I could go, and as light a touch as possible, I wasn't achieving the perfect edge... I was coming darn close though. The rep told me he had stones from a mountain in Japan that had collapsed and they mined these superb stones. I ended up getting an 8k and a 12k.

To make a long story short, the new stones are perfect. They're very soft, and create a sort of 'mud' as you sharpen. This is supposed to be good. Anyway, my edges are near perfection, and this is before I even strop!! For anyone interested I can provide the company's url.

Mark
10-09-2006, 04:36 PM
FiReSTaRT

Mark, thanks for the tip. Quite a few of us use Norton 4k/8k to quickly remove old corroded steel and establish a new edge on an antique blade. After that, we move onto a finer polishing stone that cuts slowly and/or a pasted paddle strop. As for the Japanese stones, I have 2 of them (4k and 8k) and use them for some of my honing needs. A decent number of us do. However the Belgian coticule is my finisher.
10-09-2006, 04:44 PM
icecow

what size is your yellow coticule?

I keep eyeing the 8x3 $175 one but there's no way I'm getting it.

What's the smallest adequte size, and whats a typical size people get?
10-09-2006, 04:48 PM
FiReSTaRT

I use the 6x6.5cm one. Fairly tiny and not easy to work with but it was all I could afford. Gonna try playing with the lithide as well but my next finishing purchase will be a paddle strop from Tony M.
10-12-2006, 06:04 AM
icecow

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkilar

.....I ended up getting an 8k and a 12k.

To make a long story short, the new stones are perfect. They're very soft, and create a sort of 'mud' as you sharpen. This is supposed to be good. Anyway, my edges are near perfection, and this is before I even strop!! For anyone interested I can provide the company's url.

Mark

Hmm, where'd you get those water stones? I have a norton 4k/8k and was thinking about getting a coticule, but I'm scared by the fact that the coticules grit vary vendor to vendor. a waterstone sounds safer.

I'm looking at a 12k range. I might try to get some really messed up ebay straights back in to shape, so I'm looking at something corser than 4k. In fact I'm wondering if it would be wise to get a slow cutting 1-2k instead of fast, so if a waterstone is slower than a norton, maybe a 1-2k waterstone is a good thing.

Did you get the rubbing stone(nagura (sp) stone) too? you rub it on the waterstone to help make that slurry.
10-12-2006, 04:58 PM
FiReSTaRT

For coarse work, you can also use a piece of 1000 grit wet/dry sandpaper on a flat surface (I put it right over Norton 8k and go circular). For fine work a pasted paddle strop would be a better idea as it's cheaper and you can get higher grits than the coticule.
07-08-2007, 05:43 PM
glenel

Honing Pyramid?

O.k., I hate to show my ignorance, but here goes; what's a honing pyramid? In my case, right now, it's a dunce cap!:gth

rsvp glenel@videotron.ca

Regards,

Glen Eldridge
Pierrefonds, Québec
07-19-2007, 01:24 AM
WingedDefeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenel

O.k., I hate to show my ignorance, but here goes; what's a honing pyramid? In my case, right now, it's a dunce cap!

I have the same question. An explanation would be totally cool.:confused:
07-19-2007, 01:39 AM
AFDavis11

Its a honing strategy which includes a repetition of low and high grit in combination. Surely a search on pyramid would give you a few hints and some reading options.
08-01-2007, 03:36 PM
kbuzbee

Quote:

Originally Posted by adjustme69

...If shiney all the way to the cutting part of the edge, you can start with a regular honing pyramid.

Good Luck.

Lynn

Can someone please describe this pyramid (or post a link to past discussions)?

Thanks

Ken
08-02-2007, 03:40 PM
jacqueeagonsr

honing pyramid search

I, too, am trying to learn how to hone my razors and would like to know what a "honing pyramid" is. I used the search function and got 252 hits on honing and pyramid. That's a lot of reading for those of us who are searching for the answer. Could someone narrow it down a bit??
Thanks,
J.
08-02-2007, 04:26 PM
kbuzbee

Oaky, I got it

Watched about 1/2 of Lynn's video and I get the pyramid thing.....

His example:

w/ Norton 4000/8000

3 x 4000 & 3 x 8000
1 x 4000 & 3 x 8000
1 x 4000 & 5 x 8000

Minimize the number of strokes

YMMV based on condition of the razor, grind, type of steel etc etc

I think I got this right....

Ken
08-02-2007, 11:47 PM
Lynn

I would recommend the reading path.

Lynn
08-03-2007, 12:17 AM
Wildtim

Go to the home page find the library and check out the permanent archives. All you might want to know about honing pyramids is there in detail. Also much much more.

Good reading!!!!
02-21-2008, 10:19 PM
lee Carmody

Japanese waterstones

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkilar

All-

I had difficulty with the Norton stones, the 200/1k, and the 4k/8k, as they seemed to cut really fast. I'm sort of a perfectionist on these things, as I have been sharpening everything from tools to knives to str8 razors over the years.

Anyway, I came across a company selling Japanese water stones. After I submitted my order, they actually called me back and we discussed the purpose for the stones. I explained that as slow as I could go, and as light a touch as possible, I wasn't achieving the perfect edge... I was coming darn close though. The rep told me he had stones from a mountain in Japan that had collapsed and they mined these superb stones. I ended up getting an 8k and a 12k.

To make a long story short, the new stones are perfect. They're very soft, and create a sort of 'mud' as you sharpen. This is supposed to be good. Anyway, my edges are near perfection, and this is before I even strop!! For anyone interested I can provide the company's url.

Mark

Hi, I'm new here. I am very interested in Japanese waterstones having heard good things about them. I am very interested in the url for the company you mentioned. I would really appreciate any help you could give me. My email is available for members here to get in touch with me.
02-21-2008, 11:38 PM
wescap34

Lynn's DVD

Lynn's DVD is the answer to the pyramid and so many other questions that you are going to have. Get one soon.
03-29-2008, 05:42 AM
OreBaron

maybe a dumb question but, why go back to a course grit after a highergrit? what does that do for honing? why not just use one than the other?:confused:
04-04-2008, 08:57 PM
Smiles

Quote:

Originally Posted by OreBaron

maybe a dumb question but, why go back to a course grit after a highergrit? what does that do for honing? why not just use one than the other?:confused:

Thanks for posting this. It doesn't seem a dumb question to me. Sometimes I polish metal and after using one grit wouldn't drop down to a coarser grit at all.

I also clean the surface completely when moving from a coarser grit to a finer grit. I noticed that Lynn (in his DVD) doesn't rinse off the 4000 grit before going to the 8000 grit. Wouldn't it be better to rinse the razor so as to not contaminate the 8000 side with 4000 grit material?

Thanks,

Matt
05-05-2009, 08:52 AM
mry314

Just look at lynn's tips no.1. At the end of the post it is explained. :tu
09-14-2009, 01:38 PM
crushnbugs

I am so close to pulling the trigger on the Naniwa three stone set (5K, 8K, 12K) on Straight Razor Designs for $173.99

Are there any better options out there? I do not have any hones yet...

Thanks!
01-16-2010, 06:06 AM
Ridgeback

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynn

Depending on how far up the edge the shiney part is will be an indication of how much work you will have to do. If shiney all the way to the cutting part of the edge, you can start with a regular honing pyramid.

Good Luck.

Lynn

For my Spyderco knifes i use a black Edding marker on the edge, to see where i am. When i hone a new knife its not easy to see where i am honing. Mybe this can be used for razors too.
04-30-2010, 02:06 PM
jcash1

I have proper hones for straight razors and I suppose I just need to jump in the deep end and start trying to get it done. Thanks for the tips Lynn!!!