MAAAAANN!! bummin

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04-21-2011, 01:12 AM
coldcut

MAAAAANN!! bummin

I got a Crown&Sword 5/8 razor off ebay a few months ago and when I got it it was dull as a butter knife soooo I put it to the Norton 4000/8000 it shaved as good as a freash Dovo Shavette blade. i was stropping it the other day and noticed that at the very tip of the spike piont it was picking up the smallest amount of red color from the strop so I held it under the sunlight and i could see the tip of it was just very slightly curled and my OCD just wouldnt stand for that. I got the same Norton 4000/8000 to fix it I got the curl out so thats all good but it doesnt shave anywhere near the same. I did the pyramid starting at 25 on each side of the hone and stropped it and not worth a crap!! I had to use my Shavette to shave today!!!. Its my favorite razor outta my 7 razors. This whole honing thing is almost as hard as when I was learning how to weld pipe.:cen:gth
04-21-2011, 01:40 PM
Adam_MA

I wouldn't get too discouraged by this. Often times, it takes multiple trips to the hones to get that "just right" feeling back into a razor. Just take a step back, relax and get back to it. Shave and repeat as needed. I'm taking a razor back to the hones soon for the 3rd time this weekend. It just isn't as perfect as I want!
04-21-2011, 03:21 PM
ScottGoodman

This is the same song that all hear when they are learning to hone. I'm sure all of us have had to go back to the stones more than once in the early stages of honing. Keep it up and you will get there, just don't get in a hurry and take your time...
04-21-2011, 03:23 PM
coldcut

ya you're right... it was perfect before. Ill give'er another try today
04-21-2011, 03:48 PM
JimmyHAD

Y'know its funny, you mention welding pipe. I was certified in all positions, 4G, with unlimited thickness, at the Turkey Point nuclear unit. Also certified 4G in the county, and on various jobs where the paper wasn't enough, they wanted to see the work and certified you on that job. Stick, 60 and 70 series, and inner-shield were what they were using back then. I learned to weld in ironworker's apprentice school and it was one of the hardest things I ever did. Talk about frustrating.

The funny thing was that once I did learn to weld it became easy. I never forgot how difficult learning had been but sometimes I couldn't figure out why it had been so hard. Smooth as silk and put a vertical with 6010 in that looked like a roll of dimes. Run 7018 and the slag peel up behind the rod as I ran the bead. Honing has been like that. I have had many a frustrating session when I was learning but now it is pretty much like welding a column splice. Keep at it and you'll be as proficient with honing as you are in running that pipe. :)
04-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Bruce

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Y'know its funny, you mention welding pipe. I was certified in all positions, 4G, with unlimited thickness, at the Turkey Point nuclear unit. Also certified 4G in the county, and on various jobs where the paper wasn't enough, they wanted to see the work and certified you on that job. Stick, 60 and 70 series, and inner-shield were what they were using back then. I learned to weld in ironworker's apprentice school and it was one of the hardest things I ever did. Talk about frustrating.

The funny thing was that once I did learn to weld it became easy. I never forgot how difficult learning had been but sometimes I couldn't figure out why it had been so hard. Smooth as silk and put a vertical with 6010 in that looked like a roll of dimes. Run 7018 and the slag peel up behind the rod as I ran the bead. Honing has been like that. I have had many a frustrating session when I was learning but now it is pretty much like welding a column splice. Keep at it and you'll be as proficient with honing as you are in running that pipe. :)

With the reference to welding, I hope this doesn't indicate that carpenters will have insurmountable problems learning how to hone a razor. If so, I have a fair number of new paving blocks for my future patio.

:hmmm:
04-21-2011, 04:25 PM
ScottGoodman

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

...a vertical with 6010 in that looked like a roll of dimes. Run 7018 and the slag peel up behind the rod as I ran the bead. Honing has been like that.

Back in the early 90's I could do that too and I have to admit...you are spot on. After you get there you look back and say "huh, why did it take me so long?".
04-21-2011, 04:44 PM
JimmyHAD

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Originally Posted by Bruce

With the reference to welding, I hope this doesn't indicate that carpenters will have insurmountable problems learning how to hone a razor. If so, I have a fair number of new paving blocks for my future patio.

:hmmm:

A friend of mine used to say an ironworker ain't nothin' but a carpenter with his brains knocked out. :p
04-21-2011, 05:11 PM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Y'know its funny, you mention welding pipe. I was certified in all positions, 4G, with unlimited thickness, at the Turkey Point nuclear unit. Also certified 4G in the county, and on various jobs where the paper wasn't enough, they wanted to see the work and certified you on that job. Stick, 60 and 70 series, and inner-shield were what they were using back then. I learned to weld in ironworker's apprentice school and it was one of the hardest things I ever did. Talk about frustrating.

The funny thing was that once I did learn to weld it became easy. I never forgot how difficult learning had been but sometimes I couldn't figure out why it had been so hard. Smooth as silk and put a vertical with 6010 in that looked like a roll of dimes. Run 7018 and the slag peel up behind the rod as I ran the bead. Honing has been like that. I have had many a frustrating session when I was learning but now it is pretty much like welding a column splice. Keep at it and you'll be as proficient with honing as you are in running that pipe. :)

I have certs for MIG TIG SMAW for uphill, down hill, sideways, in the mud, in the rain, 70 below zero, old iron, new iron, live pipe, old pipe, crooked iron, busted iron, junk iron!!!... ok.... i kid HAHA... I feel for you guys in the nuclear plants havin to wear those QC's like a backpack!!!... I'm pretty sure that learnin how to weld pipe I used the "F" word the most in my life then an old pipeline welder showed me the 5/32 8010 root weld trick on sched. 80 and thicker, faster more better aahhhh.... I'm a totally self tought pipe/struct. welder so I'm not going to let this honing thing get me down I had it perfect the first time I'll get it again. I shoulda never even messed with trying to fix that curl in the tip it didnt even effect the shave like I said my OCD took over and I went to messin with it, shame on me!! I'm just spooked I may have over honed not really sure how to fix that besides sending it to Glen or Lynn the master manipulators of micro beveled edges thank God those guys are here to help!!!!!...... And Bruce I'm pretty sure that as a carpenter you will be fine it's those electricians that will have the most problems with it!!! (just kiddin sparkies) I love messin with those guys!!..... Ok I gotta find my honing zen, where did I put that!!??
04-21-2011, 05:14 PM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

A friend of mine used to say an ironworker ain't nothin' but a carpenter with his brains knocked out. :p

With that being said..... You know what ya say to a guy with an IQ of 10????.......... Nice weld!!.... oh how many times have I heard that joke
04-21-2011, 05:23 PM
coldcut

Oh ya I forgot I had another question.. so my face is BBS my arms are shaved bald half my chest hair is gone....... where do I go from there to test my razor??... as I asked that my eyes slowly looked down at my legs EEEKK!!
04-21-2011, 05:30 PM
Theseus

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Originally Posted by coldcut

Oh ya I forgot I had another question.. so my face is BBS my arms are shaved bald half my chest hair is gone....... where do I go from there to test my razor??... as I asked that my eyes slowly looked down at my legs EEEKK!!

Been there too many times to count. On the plus side, I've found out that leg hair grows quicker that arm hair.:D
04-21-2011, 05:34 PM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by Theseus

Been there too many times to count. On the plus side, I've found out that leg hair grows quicker that arm hair.:D

good to know!! my chest looks ridiculous... you ever watched 40 Year Old virgin? the waxing scene comes to mind
04-21-2011, 05:40 PM
LinacMan

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Originally Posted by coldcut

half my chest hair is gone.......

Hey, at least you have chest hair. All I have is a treasure trail below the navel, at let me tell you, no straight razor is headed that direction:w
04-21-2011, 06:00 PM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by LinacMan

Hey, at least you have chest hair. All I have is a treasure trail below the navel, at let me tell you, no straight razor is headed that direction:w

I do not blame you one bit!!!!!!!..... oh and I had chest hair.HA!!
04-21-2011, 10:27 PM
ScottGoodman

You guys are shaving too much hair. It only takes a little touch to the hair, not a swath....I keep a perpetual bald spot at the crook of my left arm...but that's really it.
04-21-2011, 10:37 PM
JimmyHAD

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Originally Posted by coldcut

I feel for you guys in the nuclear plants havin to wear those QC's like a backpack!!!... I'm pretty sure that learnin how to weld pipe I used the "F" word the most in my life then an old pipeline welder showed me the 5/32 8010 root weld trick on sched. 80 and thicker, faster more better aahhhh.... I'm a totally self tought pipe/struct. welder so I'm not going to let this honing thing get me down I had it perfect the first time I'll get it again.

I worked in the nukes for Bechtel before there were QCs and before the Wackenhut guards. Just drive into the construction parking lot and walk in back in those days. The QCs slow production down so much that having them isn't worth it. Just another contractor to soak up the $. Speaking of schedule 80, here is a "40 hour buckle" from the old days at Turkey Point. :)Attachment 67894
04-21-2011, 10:59 PM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I worked in the nukes for Bechtel before there were QCs and before the Wackenhut guards. Just drive into the construction parking lot and walk in back in those days. The QCs slow production down so much that having them isn't worth it. Just another contractor to soak up the $. Speaking of schedule 80, here is a "40 hour buckle" from the old days at Turkey Point. :)Attachment 67894

NICE!!! some stainless tubing and twisted tig wire makes for some good buckles!!!!.... Man the QC's are outta there minds on the Chevron off shore oil rigs I work on!!! they inspect tacks now... Tacks!! are you kidding me!! after they look at em I pretty much grind them out. Now we have TSA back ground checks to work out there its all way outta hand!... I really want out of oilfield construction bad but welder pay is insane now I hardly have to go to work for a week to earn a months wage
04-21-2011, 11:03 PM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by shooter74743

You guys are shaving too much hair. It only takes a little touch to the hair, not a swath....I keep a perpetual bald spot at the crook of my left arm...but that's really it.

I may have over exaggerated a bit buuuut my arms are quite hairless. I do a lap or 2 on the hone and check it and again and again.. Im just tryin to keep track of where im at on the sharpness. Im pretty green to the honing of these razors
04-22-2011, 11:29 AM
Adam_MA

Too funny! When I first started honing, I was the same way. I would constantly get asked "dude, what the hell happened to your arm hair" Now, I pretty much just check for the bevel set, then once again after finishing, then it's off to shave test it. Though I will admit to still being amazed when it's done just right and going overboard watching the hair jump off my arm and leaving me with random bald spots!
04-22-2011, 12:15 PM
Birnando

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Originally Posted by coldcut

Oh ya I forgot I had another question.. so my face is BBS my arms are shaved bald half my chest hair is gone....... where do I go from there to test my razor??... as I asked that my eyes slowly looked down at my legs EEEKK!!

That reminds me of a story about a buddy of mine a few years back.
He was, in his own eyes, a ladies man at the time. Going out every weekend hitting on girls constantly.
Alas, without much success.
To prepare the guy for when he actually would get lucky, we told him about modern men and what was required in this day and age.
You know, about shaving the chest and more.

Well, he went home and after a couple of hours he showed up again happy as could be.
He said he was ready now, and decided to show us what he had done.
The poor lad had actually shaved everything all the way down to his knees!!
After 15 minutes of hysterical laughter we finally asked him what the humpfh he had done, he just said: I didn't know where to stop!
04-23-2011, 04:53 AM
pinklather

"I never forgot how difficult learning had been but sometimes I couldn't figure out why it had been so hard."

Jimmie, you're gracious, and a class act. Thank You!
04-23-2011, 05:20 AM
Grizzley1

I'm glad you guys brought up welding-When my son was in high school I told him to take shop class,as the skills he would learn would come in handy for the rest of his life,to make a long story short,not only didn't they teach them much on parents night I asked his teacher where the welder was,or at least the tanks for brazing-because that's where I learned to do both,and this guys said "we don't do that anymore,we teach them how to remove and replace the parts that are broken"- I ask you guys ,isnt that a crock? Really p*ssed me off these are the teachers of today.
04-23-2011, 05:47 AM
coldcut

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Originally Posted by Grizzley1

I'm glad you guys brought up welding-When my son was in high school I told him to take shop class,as the skills he would learn would come in handy for the rest of his life,to make a long story short,not only didn't they teach them much on parents night I asked his teacher where the welder was,or at least the tanks for brazing-because that's where I learned to do both,and this guys said "we don't do that anymore,we teach them how to remove and replace the parts that are broken"- I ask you guys ,isnt that a crock? Really p*ssed me off these are the teachers of today.

It's like they are setting them up for failure. I do not get it a trade you can do with your hands is something you can do the rest of your life. I did not take welding in high school I learned it on the job about 10 years ago I really wish I had the chance to take it in a setting with an instructor it would have been a lot less painless that way, I got thrown to the wolves with a QC standing over my shoulder with only a month of practice under my belt. i had to show up at the fab shop at 4am just to practice after that my boss put me in a helicopter and shipped me off to an off shore oil rig. I was not very confident, but I pulled it off so now I get thrown to the wolves alll the time oh and I get chucked under the bus alot to. I guess thats why I get along where i work cause I always come back grinnin:)