Strop and stone paddle

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08-20-2006, 02:52 PM
Kees

Strop and stone paddle

I recently started using my old strop and stone paddle similar to the one here:

http://premiumknives.com/ShopSite/PK...ne_Paddle.html

The stone is just a piece of slate and actually I got very nice results with them.

I have never read of forum members that use a piece of slate.
I just wondered whether any of you guys tried one and what results you got.

It is actually a very sophisticated thing this paddle because the leather is actually padded according to one German site. Unfortunately I did not save the URL, sorry for that. Mine is a cheaper, non padded version that I bought when I was a student.
08-20-2006, 03:11 PM
Tony Miller

Kees,
How do you like the stone side of this? I looked at these when I sampled Jemico strops and wanted to test one and see if it was something the guys would like. I was concerned it would be as coarse as the Col. Conk version so passed at that time.

They claim that the stone is finer than the black hard arkansas. The leather side is Jemicos Russian leather. It would also retail for far less than $89 too if I decided to stock it.

Jemico makes a 4 sided version too, prepasted with more vintage type red and black pastes, a stone side and a Russian finish side. Pretty strops but a rather short 8 1/4" surface.

Anyone here ever try these two? I may have to give them a go and see how they perform.

Tony
08-20-2006, 03:21 PM
Kees

Tony,

I just happened to find a cheaper one as well: http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/st...ail.html?s=J40

I liked the slate very much. It is softer than Arkansas (Arkansas is not slate BTW) and I am getting better edges with it than with the Arkansas. Unfortunately the slate is only 1 5/8", I prefer 2" or a bit wider. However, I haven't managed to sharpen my Zwilling Friodur with it yet.

At the moment I am experimenting with hones. Eventually I want to own a coticule but because of the variable quality I decided to visit the quarry in October when I shall be spending my autumn holiday not far from it. The owner of the quarry is very knowledgable by all accounts.

In the mean time I ordered this hone from Manufactum in Germany: http://www.manufactum.de/track_flash...Pr.5112.0.html

It is really cheap and a German guy I am corresponding with is very enthusiastic about it. I expect to get it this week and I 'll let you know. I understand Randydance and Ashaab are experimenting with it as well. Haven't heard of their experiences though.
08-20-2006, 05:51 PM
Tony Miller

That German stone looks nice. May have to et one to try myself.

If you want one of the Pujab Hones and can't get it shipped directly let me know.

Tony
08-20-2006, 07:26 PM
Kees

Tony,

Thanks for the offer, I'll keep it in mind. At the moment I am spending and planning to spend quite some money on shaving so I'll keep it on the backburner. Things that don't tolerate the sun like the Punjab hone will presumably deteriorate with time anyway. I presume it is the agent that keeps the slurry together that will desintegrate sooner or later anyway.

To me straights and their paraphernalia are just objects for daily use, not things to collect or fancy. I only buy what I need. I don't think I'll ever own a vast array of sexy razors!. 1st priority is a stone that will hone my Friodur satisfactorily, next thing may be one of your hanging strops (at the moment I only use a loom strop). So I am 1st gonna try the Thuringian stone from Manufactum, if that one does not do the trick I'll buy a kosher quality coticule.

If you need any assistance to get the Manufactum stone shipped to you let me know.

Just had my first shave with one of the razors sharpened with the slate. It was very smooth. This particular razor is always a wee bit harsh on my face when honed with the Arkansas.
08-20-2006, 07:41 PM
Tony Miller

Kees,
I too have thinned off on the collecting. I still have about a dozen favorite razors and a few choice stones...an Escher and a large Coticule but like to try others.

I have nearly 2 dozen barber hones I really need to thin out. All are in mint condition but there are only a handful I want to keep. At this point anything I don't use feels like waste.

I will try to order the Thuringen direct, if I can't I'll let you know.

Tony
08-21-2006, 02:24 AM
Joe Lerch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

The stone is just a piece of slate and actually I got very nice results with them.

I have one of these, and the stone seems finer than anything I have, including an Escher and a coticule. I don;t think it's slate. It seems too soft.
08-21-2006, 02:30 AM
Joe Lerch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

In the mean time I ordered this hone from Manufactum in Germany: http://www.manufactum.de/track_flash...Pr.5112.0.html

This one looks a lot like my Droescher. I think that name is well known.
08-21-2006, 03:31 AM
randydance062449

The Manufactum Thuringian stone I have used only twice so far.
My initial impression is that it is about a 6000-7000 grit hone and slow cutting , much like the Tam O'Shanter hone. However, I was honing two J.A. Henckels Inox razors which have a hard temper.

I will post more on these hones and on the Tam O'Shanter hones in the near future.

I still have not found the magic hone that does it all or gives the perfect edge,:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

Tony,

Thanks for the offer, I'll keep it in mind. At the moment I am spending and planning to spend quite some money on shaving so I'll keep it on the backburner. Things that don't tolerate the sun like the Punjab hone will presumably deteriorate with time anyway. I presume it is the agent that keeps the slurry together that will desintegrate sooner or later anyway.

To me straights and their paraphernalia are just objects for daily use, not things to collect or fancy. I only buy what I need. I don't think I'll ever own a vast array of sexy razors!. 1st priority is a stone that will hone my Friodur satisfactorily, next thing may be one of your hanging strops (at the moment I only use a loom strop). So I am 1st gonna try the Thuringian stone from Manufactum, if that one does not do the trick I'll buy a kosher quality coticule.

If you need any assistance to get the Manufactum stone shipped to you let me know.

Just had my first shave with one of the razors sharpened with the slate. It was very smooth. This particular razor is always a wee bit harsh on my face when honed with the Arkansas.
08-21-2006, 04:18 AM
Joe Lerch

Quote:

Originally Posted by randydance062449

I still have not found the magic hone that does it all or gives the perfect edge

I don't think it's possible. We do so many different things with our hones, and I think the perfect edge is only theoretical.
08-21-2006, 05:08 AM
Kees

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

This one looks a lot like my Droescher. I think that name is well known.

Not to me, neither is a Tam O' Shanter. But I only joined SRP a few months ago.
08-21-2006, 07:02 PM
Joe Lerch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

Not to me, neither is a Tam O' Shanter. But I only joined SRP a few months ago.

I'm talking about Thuringen. It seems to me there are even some antique stones made by them.
08-21-2006, 08:09 PM
Kees

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

I'm talking about Thuringen. It seems to me there are even some antique stones made by them.

That's correct. The German guy I was corresponding with got 2 pre-WW2 ones from an old man. The newer ones look a bit coarser but the slurry looks identical under an electon microscope, he mailed me pictures. He is getting identical results when using the old or the new Thuringian. He is preparing a thread on them to be posted later on nassrasur.com.
Apparently the quarry was filled with rubble by the Eastern German communist regime. The stones sold by Manufactum are a pre-WW2 lot they started to sell recently.
08-21-2006, 09:17 PM
Joe Lerch

Kees, can we just order them from the site and request US delivery? At that price I'm willing to experiment.
08-21-2006, 11:08 PM
dvarry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

That's correct. The German guy I was corresponding with got 2 pre-WW2 ones from an old man. The newer ones look a bit coarser but the slurry looks identical under an electon microscope, he mailed me pictures. He is getting identical results when using the old or the new Thuringian. He is preparing a thread on them to be posted later on nassrasur.com.
Apparently the quarry was filled with rubble by the Eastern German communist regime. The stones sold by Manufactum are a pre-WW2 lot they started to sell recently.

You have an electron microscope? Don't those cost thousands of dollars? :eek:
08-21-2006, 11:13 PM
Kees

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

Kees, can we just order them from the site and request US delivery? At that price I'm willing to experiment.

Joe,

On the bottom of this page: http://www.manufactum.de/track_flash...Pr.5112.0.html

you can click Manufactum International. I have been reading the English pages and it looks like they ship world wide. They want you to register, they accept Visa. They don't ship orders of less than 25 euro's so you need to order some additional items. I ordered Proraso and some UHU glue which was on special offer.

I remember Randydance bought one or two Thuringers of them so you may want to ask him how he did it.

if you need any assistance let me know, am happy to help you out.
08-21-2006, 11:27 PM
Kees

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvarry

You have an electron microscope? Don't those cost thousands of dollars? :eek:

I don't but the German guy I have been corresponding with and who did some fact finding on the Thuringers took the pics or had them taken.
08-21-2006, 11:37 PM
Tony Miller

Shipping on one of the Thurigen stones is 18.50 Euro acording to the e-mail I got from them this morning.

Tony
08-22-2006, 04:31 AM
Joe Lerch

Quote:

Originally Posted by randydance062449

The Manufactum Thuringian stone I have used only twice so far.

How did y ou order it? What did you pay for shipping?
08-22-2006, 05:24 AM
Kees

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lerch

I have one of these, and the stone seems finer than anything I have, including an Escher and a coticule. I don;t think it's slate. It seems too soft.

Joe, any suggestions what to lap this stone with? I am now referring to the stone on the paddle. It has some hard inclusions that start to stick out a bit. Sooner or later I fear they will cause problems.
I don't have all the sophisticated specialist honing paraphernalia of a true honemeister though. I do have a few Arkansas stones, and ordinary sandpaper. Would they be useful?
08-22-2006, 04:38 PM
Joe Lerch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

Joe, any suggestions what to lap this stone with? I am now referring to the stone on the paddle. It has some hard inclusions that start to stick out a bit. Sooner or later I fear they will cause problems.
I don't have all the sophisticated specialist honing paraphernalia of a true honemeister though. I do have a few Arkansas stones, and ordinary sandpaper. Would they be useful?

I use a Little Devil hone, which you can get cheap from Tilly (redtrader99.com). That hone is really good for that. You could use sandpaper on glass, but I wouldn't go too coarse. It's a pretty soft stone. Don't go coarser than 1K. If you just want to clean it or refresh it, I would use a flat pumice stone.
08-28-2006, 05:11 PM
Kees

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

Tony,

At the moment I am experimenting with hones. Eventually I want to own a coticule but because of the variable quality I decided to visit the quarry in October when I shall be spending my autumn holiday not far from it. The owner of the quarry is very knowledgable by all accounts.

In the mean time I ordered this hone from Manufactum in Germany: http://www.manufactum.de/track_flash...Pr.5112.0.html

It is really cheap and a German guy I am corresponding with is very enthusiastic about it. I expect to get it this week and I 'll let you know. I understand Randydance and Ashaab are experimenting with it as well. Haven't heard of their experiences though.

I recieved the stone today and must say it's excellent! In no time I got my 2 working razors much sharper than I ever had! And that at 18 euros a piece! Great VFM this is.

BTW am I allowed to quote myself or is that against SRP code of conduct??
05-07-2009, 08:27 PM
thadoggfather

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kees

I recently started using my old strop and stone paddle similar to the one here:

http://premiumknives.com/ShopSite/PK...ne_Paddle.html

The stone is just a piece of slate and actually I got very nice results with them.

I have never read of forum members that use a piece of slate.
I just wondered whether any of you guys tried one and what results you got.

It is actually a very sophisticated thing this paddle because the leather is actually padded according to one German site. Unfortunately I did not save the URL, sorry for that. Mine is a cheaper, non padded version that I bought when I was a student.

This is a prettey old thread, but im thinking about buying one of this "Strop and Stone paddle" and would like to get more opinions on it. Has anybody experiences using it as a touch up hone ?