Printable View
So, I just realized that the blade I've been working on the past week has a slight frown in it. Someone please tell me this can honed out. I know this isn't really where this post should be, so mods feel free to move where appropriate.
Attachment 72839
It is in the right place,,, :)
Yes it can be honed out, but you have to know what yer doing on the hones to fix it..
Thanks Glen. I don't have a hone, so I am going to throw myself on the mercy of the board to find a honer that can fix it and get it honed appropriately once I get it scaled up. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't barking up an empty tree before I continued restoring.
It's a lost cause.
I know you can't stand to look at it anymore, too. Just mail it to me. I'll bear the burden of this razor so you don't have to.
You're Welcome.
I will keep this in mind if I decide to get rid of it. I doubt it, but you never know.......
Of course, if you have one you want restored, I can work on the blade. I'm not so sure about the rescaling, but the blade sanding I can do! haha.
I'm not sure it needs to be honed out. Does it shave ok? I might be willing to fix it for you if you need it. Are you close to VA by mail? You'd need to give me some time to work on it though. That be quite a bit of work. You could have someone like Glen shape the blade for you.
It can be honed out, check the classifieds under member services send a few PMs and ask a few questions and then compare the answers.
Not because of the frown, but how close the heel already is to the shoulder.
What makes me upset is that I didn't see this to begin with. As much time as I have spent with this blade in my hands over the last week, I should have already seen the frown. It is really a big let down. I have a Shumate Barber that I might just start on before I go much further with this blade. I want to use my custom scale design, but I'm not sticking it on a crap razor.
PM inbound to Glen.
dont change the scales until it gets back to you honed.
Rarreola, please see this thread for the back story.:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/works...-perlduck.html
Cliff notes version, this is what the scales looked like when I got the razor:Attachment 72866
Just realized what you might be saying. Can someone verify for me, I need to have scales on before I send it out for honing, yes?
ohh, sorry for not see your picture and thread before I post my 2 cents, yes, you have to rescale it before the hone, mea culpa.
Eh. It's ok, I didn't have the threads cross linked.
FWIW (I may be out of my depth here) --
1. One alternative is keeping the frown, and getting the edge sharp. Since there are a _lot_ of old razors with frowns, I suspect the shave would be OK. However, honing a frowning edge is tricky.
2. To "fix" the frown, you hone the razor on a flat stone until you've removed metal from the toe and heel - enough metal so the toe and heel are even with the center of the frown. The edge will then be straight.
The first razor I bought had a frown -- my story is here:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ning-edge.html
It eventually straightened out; it's "number 1" in my rotation.
Charles
My first clean up had a very similar profile as well, however, I was lucky that it is a shoulderless blade.
I watched Glen's video over and over before trying to do anything with it and now it shaves just great.
This might be viewed as a stupid question, especially at this point in this thread, but I'm the guy for the job. Why exactly is a frown difficult to shave with? I don't have any blades with frowns and am not in the market for one, given the bad press they seem to get, but it seemed to me that the profile of a frown might be closer to the curvature of the contours of parts of the face than a smiling edge would be. Just puttin' this out there.
I won't ask how that Shumate Barber is - I know.
I don't know if the blade was a fleabay or other method where you don't get to see and feel it first. If I go to antique store or show, I carry a small barber hone to check for smile/frown (I like smiles), and for symetry - any wave or warp. The Bhone and a loupe can be handy.
Sharpening a frowning edge on a narrow stone isn't difficult. Sharpening a frowning edge on a wide stone (like a Norton bench stone), is not straightforward.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace
I think the frowns developed because people were using narrow hones. With a barber hone, it's easy to "accidentally" take more metal off the center of the blade, than off the ends. The razor shaves OK, and the barber keeps honing it unevenly until a real frown develops.
And then he says "Uh-oh, I need a new razor", and the frowning blade goes in his "old razor" drawer, and 50 years later one of us buys it on eBay!
. . . Charles
PS -- at least, it _could_ have happened like that!<g>
The simple answer...
A frown is much more likely to cut ya :( besides the honing problems... By always honing toward a smile, it would eventually turn a slight frown upside down :) The techniques are rather simple but they have to be mastered... The fastest way to get a frown, is to put yer finger on the blade, or to hone straight up and down the hone... Given "fairly" flat hones...
If you hone a lot of razors one thing you learn is that many spine/edge grinds are not perfect so by honing without guiding the edge over the years many razors will develop problems..
I got really confuseQuote:
Originally Posted by cpcohen1945
Sham --
I think most barber hones are narrower than most blades. So it is easy to hone badly -- to take more metal off the middle of the blade, than off the toe and heel. If you use a "straight stroke" instead of X-stroke, that will probably happen.
What _I_ don't understand is why honing "straight up and down" on a flat hone should result in a frown, _if the hone is wider than the blade_. Since GsSixgun knows way more than I do, I'll let him explain it. [Putting a finger on the middle of the blade, and honing straight up and down -- _that_ will cause a frown for sure!]
I think I am out of my depth -- too many ideas, and not enough experience.
Charles
Cahrles you will see very rare someone uses barber hones up and down. usually it is x strokes.
while someone makes x strokes we had many people asked why heel of the blade almost doesn't stay in the stone long enough to be honed?
In reality if you hone blade correctly buy using x strokes your blade will have double smile.
Meaning heel and toe will honed more then middle.
i am not sure what Glen said (about putting finger in the middle of the blade)but if you put your finger in the middle of the blade and use some pressure and start to making up and down strokes in perfectly flat stone your blade will end up getting frown.
Because you are pushing down in the middle of the blade and tip and heel will left off from the stone(this is a little dramatic) . This will end up making frown. middle of the blade will hone more then rest of the blade.
If someone uses finger to put in the middle of the blade it has to be done without any pressure at all.
Just to help keep the blade flat enough on the stone.
hope this helps.
When I've seen frowns it's always struck me that many of the blades seem to originate from the point in the twentieth century where pastes were developed. Is it possible that they are the result of continuous sharpening on a narrow pasted strop?
That is exactly what I meant Sham,, :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
That finger is pressure for most people...
then we are in good shape.:gl:Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I am hoping this Narrow stones, paste makes frown is not your idea :p
Surely that was never the idea. The misuse of a sharpening medium makes frowns. I only post this because a very interesting thread seems to have died.Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
I can give an update. Glen doesn't know it yet, but I'm planning on sending it to him when I get the scales done. I have to find a little peining hammer, hopefully locally, before I get the scales finished.
Make sure you cal Glen sooner rather than later. I don't know his workload, but from experience I can tell you he's... busy, for lack of a better word.Quote:
Originally Posted by medicevans
