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I have never honed as of yet however I was able to pick up an Escher Water hone and a Belgin Conicle. I am not sure which gives a "better" shave edge. I have been reading a ton on here and watching a lot of videos and am finding that "Better" is subjective to say the least. On that note... as I have never crossed the bridge on honing my own razors I was hoping for some insite from all of you good people. Thank You in advance
Rcigar
I am new to honing as well about 15 razors under my belt. If you plan on honing ebay razors i would get something in the 1k range to set bevels a little faster. You can set bevels with the coticule but it might take you awhile. My progression is: a Cretan hone(bought from a member on another forum) to set bevels, vintage coticule with slurry diluting it down to water and then finish on my thuringian or Cnat. I have a fast vintage coticule that I have used to set bevels with but I like just getting it over with and use something a little coarser. Check out the unicot method it is start to finish on a coticule. Just my opinion. You will get a wide range. But you can start out on a coticule it's not rocket science, just take your time and get to know your stone well.
I'm new to honing, but given the choice, I'd go with a Thuringen. Hopefully, someone with more experience will give you reasons as to why you'd want to go with one over the other.
It is 100% personal preference, as both can be considered finishers.
Personally, I prefer my Thurry.
What is better, a Gibson Les Paul or a Fender Stratocaster? They're both great guitars, depends which sounds/feels better to you.
It's clearly a Telecaster :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xMackx
I have an Escher and a coti, and have used a few other coti's as well. It's really personal preference, I think. My Escher is very versatile. It finished well on many types of steel. The coti finishes nicely on sheffields, and I've found some solingens that like it too.
I'm not a big fan of honing from bevel set to shave ready on the Coti, but some are. I prefer to finish with the naturals.
A Norton 8K in the hands of a competent Honer will do far more than a Shapton 30K in the hands of someone who is inexperienced. Buy a good basic hone and learn to use it well then move on from there.
+1 on that ")Quote:
Originally Posted by U2Bono269
Unless you've found some pretty great deals I would venture a guess that you've taken a fairly substantial economic hit acquiring those two stones. Acquiring more stones, while an option, is likely to set you farther back.
If you've got the cash, I would agree that a Norton is somewhat easier to use while developing the basics of honing. On the other hand, one can learn to hone on what you have in your possession already. Your wallet would appreciate you for that.
I would have to agree with this statement. Man you when right for the top when you bought your first hones. The coticule not so much but the Escher. I have a thuringian but I found it at an antique store for $8. Use what you have and experiment with finishing on both. They will give you two different edges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo7
tbs is giving you the real tip. Learn to hone with the workhorses and when you can get a DFS (damn fine shave) off a norton 8k, or the equivalent, begin to experiment with the escher and the coticule. In the meantime put them up until you're ready for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Noone ever believes that one can get a good shave off a 8k Norton until you learn to hone. I didn't believe it also until about one and a half year ago or so, when I found the sweet spot on a nice Solingen razor, which I forgot accidentaly to finish on higher grits. The biggest joke about it was that the razor shaved better than any of my other honed razors that were finished on thuris, cotis, C12k, and a Naniwa 12k. After this I honed maybe 50 razors solely on the 4k/8k, and finished on leather. After that, my edges were much better than before, and after this finishing on higher grits were much better too.
A great learning experience for me, never believed Glen and the others until I actually tried it.
Is the conicle some type of new hybrid coticule grown in a laboratory?
I heard they are growing diamonds in labs, maybe they can grow us some genuine vintage stones ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slartibartfast
Sorry for the typo. Conicle, Coticule It appears that everyone had a good idea what I meant. Again I am new at the idea of honing hence the reason for the post.
I actually picked both of these hones up at a yard sale for next to nothing so I really don't have any money invested. Just looking to get the best experience I can with a hone. Didn't know if I should purchase a Norton 4000/8000 or use what I have. Not even sure of the grit of my Coticule and Escher. Are they pretty much standard?
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Originally Posted by Rcigar
Ummmm Yeah you might have mentioned that you already have the stones and the info would have been more on target ...And pics would be great here
search "One Stone Honing from Lynn and Glen" if you don't want to buy much else for maintaining good blades
You can also search "Unicot and Dulicot" for just the Coticule
You have two very sought after stones that are both quite versatile. the Escher is considered to be one of the top finishers out there and the Coticule is considered to be one of the most versatile stones..
You don't need any other stones unless you start honing from scratch then a 1k is at least advisable, a full honing regime would be a 1-4-8 or close to that like 1-3-8 or 1-5-8 that will hone anything from anywhere
ps: Your Escher is a Thuringen, all Escher's are, but not many Thuringens are Eschers
pps: Grit is a funny thing on here,, Before the Shapton systems became popular with SR users, Coticules were thought to be about an 8k comparable stone and Eshers maybe 10k over the last 3 years it seems that each sect of stone's fanboys have pushed those levels up on every stone, we now have 50k J-nats and 15k+ PHIGs out there, honestly the stones haven't changed any, just people's imagination and love for their stones :rofl2:
I think that got all yer questions