Big honing problem (Pictures included) Please help!!!! Desperate lol

Hey gents,

Well I Polished this, treated it, made it a new handle and its just completely depressed me..
I can't get it honed. There was a big chip in the blade, so I fixed it with sandpaper, then after began on a 1k hone, trying to reset the bevel according to this tutorial Straight razor bevel setting and finishing with a Nakayama Asagi #309 - YouTube
then i tried to sharpen it up and it was blunt as a finger.
I then tried this Straight Razor Honing-Naniwa Super Stones - YouTube since I have the superstones.. didint work.
Its sharp but it will just not get sharper, I have absolutely no idea what to do.

:-(

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You have honed a frown into it or it was there already...

Watching the first Vid right now as I have never seen it before..

After watching the first Vid, it is very possible that if you did not move the razor in a diagonal motion like was mentioned at the very beginning, you might very well frown the blade, or if you were using inproper pressure it would be very easy to frown it..

Whether the frown was there from the chip repair I do not know, nor do I know what the contour of the edge was before the repair, from what I see I would guess at a gently smiling blade before the repair...

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

You have honed a frown into it or it was there already...

Watching the first Vid right now as I have never seen it before..

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The shape at the start wasn't straight. It had like a rounder shape to it. I don't understand what a frown is or by what means to fix it i am worried the blade will be way to short by the time I get it honed. Have you a Tuto video ?

The rounder shape you speak of is a smile :) a frown is just what it says :(

Smiles are VERY good to shave with Frowns are VERY bad because they do not allow the edge to touch the hones correctly

To get from a Frown to a Smile means you have to hone toward a Smile, I don't know if you have enough room (steel) to turn that Frown upside down without running the bevel up into the stamps..

Watch the second Vid of how Lynn is honing, see the way he does the Circles ??? you can use that technique to concentrate the honing at the heel and the toe to even up the edge.. That will if you take you time and do it right, slowly correct the Frown.. If you try and do a fast fix, I can promise you will get a bad result, you have to learn to make small corrections until you get it right.

Have you a wee video that shows how I can make a smile??

http://straightrazorpalace.com/srpwi...t_-_Honing.pdf

I got this but I don't think it will solve my problem will it?
Is there a PDF about making a smile?

I woudl guess that razor had a smile to it in the beginning of its life, the spine appears to have a slight curve to it.

Do you have any before pics?

I don't know, is it really a frown or is it simply the lighting ?

I'm not as experienced as gssixgun, but it simply might be, that the bevel has not yet been set properly.
If You sanded the chip out, you basicly "breadknifed" the blade. If after that You try to set the bevel on a 1k stone it takes a very long time until it is actually set. Unless You have not set the bevel right, there ist not much You can do with finer stones

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After You have removed the chip, Your blade looked something like in Fig.1. From that state You need to set the bevel, which You did with Your 1000grit stone. If You stop setting the bevel before You have reached state 3 with a nice primary edge, there is basicly no way to get the razor sharp with finer stones. You're basicly polishing the edges shown in Fig. 2 but do not get down to the "tip". Even with a 3k / 4k stone it is very hard to get from step 2 to 3.

Problem is to find out when the bevel is set. gssixgun, Lynn... have done so many, they know the difference between somehow sharp and truely sharp.
I found that, unless I can shave hair from my arm on a 1000 grit level (a rough shave does), the bevel has not yet been set. I also work with a microscope and can actually see when I am there - although even there it's a matter of lighting.

There is a video by gssixgun on Youtube on how to set the bevel after breadknifing. That might show You how much effort is necessary after such a rough correction.

HTH.

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Originally Posted by pet3r

Have you a wee video that shows how I can make a smile??

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I think you need to really think about what Glen says in the post just before, it's in the circles. Hone using circles on a Norton 4k or similar. Keep checking the edge; don't apply any pressure to the centre of the blade at all; you can always bear down on the toe of heel slightly; it's all about what's happening as you go; you need to have a look very often and see what's happening as you hone. Also, it's worth noting the comment about the stamps; if you hone up into the stamped lettering you're well, umm, stuffed...

What about just taking the heel off and ending with a razor that is the shape of really old razors; with a very small or narrow heel? That would look very interesting. I'd still take a bit of the toe too, though, to round it a little.