I will second the feedback of soaps, I just tried my first which was some MWF, that another member(ty glenn) sent as a swap, my favorite cream(caraceni) for his mixture of soap and cream(uberlather). He sent enough that I figured I would try just the soap first. It made lather very easily, although I could probably do better with more practice. It didnt seem as cushiony as cream, but it did seem to really get the whiskers crisp enough to pop with really good feedback. Next I am going to try the uberlather to see how it goes, i imagine it will be wonderfull, the plusses of both cream and soap all in one.