just picked this up today, Thomas or William warburton? this Lisbon trademark isn't accompanied by the star so im unsure. any info on this baby? I was stoked to finally find a late 1700s in the wild!
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just picked this up today, Thomas or William warburton? this Lisbon trademark isn't accompanied by the star so im unsure. any info on this baby? I was stoked to finally find a late 1700s in the wild!
Nice find. I love those really old shaped blades.
Lovely looking razor, I must say!
It dates from the time when it was popular to use the name of an exotic sounding country as a makers mark, for instance 'Bengall' (Luke Cadman), Senegall (David Cadman), 'Rome' (Fox/Norris), Paris (Joseph Justice), 'London' (Samuel Linley), 'Holland' (Parkin & Son), 'Leipzig' (George Smith & Sons), etc, all these from Sheffield and listed in Sketchley's 1774 Directory.
Tweedale gives a history of the Warburton clan. Samuel Warburton, trademark 'Warburton' was a pocket knife maker, Hollis Croft; another Samuel Warburton, trademark 'Life' was at Bridgehouse, William Warburton, trademark WLM was in Milk Street; Thomas Warburton, trademark "Lisbon plus +" was in Coalpit Lane and Burgess Street.
This not only makes the Lummus findings more questionable (I consider the article as full of inconsistencies and errors) as he maintains that Thomas Warburton changed his mark from 'Lisbon' to 'Warburton' which flies in the face of the more heavily academic research carried out by Geoffrey Tweedale; but it also casts a question about the use of Lisbon without the cross. As far as I know there was a branch of Warburtons listed as razor manufacturers in the 1800s and one of these was a Thomas andmay well have the use of Lisbon without the cross, but the date would be wrong.
Interestingly Tweedale says of Thomas Warburton that the mark is Lisbon plus a cross whereas Sketchley shows it to be a maltese cross with Lisbon written underneath it - maybe it appears in a number of forms, or Tweedale was 'loosely' describing it.
There is yet another rendering of Lisbon, this time surrounded by a rectangle and with writing on the spine that says it is William Warburtons Best German Steel. It most definitely does not have a cross, maltese or otherwise.
Thomas Warburton was apprenticed to his father, whose name was William Warburton, apprenticed to James Fox. However, it is clear from Tweedale that William was a common name among the Warburtons, so we may be forgiven in mixing generations up. It does appear that the use of Lisbon without a cross pre-dates 1774, so it may well be that the senior William, Thomas's father, is the maker.
Regards,
Neil
Thanks for that nice summary Neil. Are you speaking here of more instances of these markings from William, or was this the one that I have? If so I'm very interested to see others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
I have just looked up the thread and yes - it was you who posted pics of the other William Warburton razor.
You are very lucky indeed!
I'll keep looking for more instances and post them here if I find any.
Regards,
Neil
Sweet score, Silverloaf. I just recently started digging those 1700's era blades. Those scales are in incredible condition, would they be originals?
Vaga started another thread with an old Wolf stub tail that got me on the road to really appreciating these relics. Have a gander, if you havent done so.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/custo...l-restore.html
Neil, thanks for the history lesson. I always sit up, when you post....
In Christ
SB
thank you, I did see that thread previously. these blades are gorgeous to me, I love the curves. the scales here look to be refinished- copper pins sanded to a bright finish, wooden scales also look sanded very fine. pretty but looks like replacement at some point in the past to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeleback
lovely ... just beautiful !!! I cant wait till the day I find me a early early piece of history to cut my face with !!!
Man! Imagine if it could talk! :tu
I'll bet it would say something like: shhhhhhwushhhhh ssshhwushhhhhhh ssshhhh sshhhhQuote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
Undoubtedly! :p
I have it on good authority that the first owner of the Warburton Lisbon was named Edmund. He was a man of fewer words than the razor if you can believe that.
Hello dear! I would like to explain right away, I don't speak English, so if there are any errors, all questions go to Google). I would like to show you a photo of my recent purchase. Approximate information about it I know, but I would like to hear the opinion of forum users. Therefore, any information on the razor, I will accept with gratitude. I hope the branch was not mistaken. With respect
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That's one fine specimen you got there. Most aren't in that good of condition.
That razor is absolutely beautiful.
Just hone and shave.
Congratulations.
Pete <:-}
I believe that this is the end of the 18th, beginning of the 19th century?
