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have found german site selling what look like new Gotta Razors. Has someone bought the trademark? Possibly NOS? Quite cheap if so. If anyone understands German a bit better than me.Rasiermesser Gotta Hamburger Ring - Messer Roedter Altstadt Passage 14 D-95028 Hof - USt-Id Nr. DE222849453 - HRA 1871
May be new made by firm called Roedter, anyone heard of this firm?
My bet is someone bought the trade mark and is making or is having razors made for them so branded. They do not look NOS vintage razors to me. Depending who and where they are made would likely indicate the quality of the razor.
Bob
Well, it is fairly obvious where they were made. Because there is a law and bylaw for the use of the name Solingen.
Messer Roedter are a shop for knives and scissors in Hof, Bavaria. Nice shop, by the way. From what the description of that razor says, it seems safe to assume that they bought the brand name, and are having these razors made in Solingen. The blade looks like every other 5/8 blade out of Solingen today. For that kind of money, much more attractive options exist today.
The Modern Revisor Solingen company bought all the old Gotta blanks and rework them to make them look brand new. Revisor supplies several large concerns in the UK, including Amazon, with these razors. To most intents and purposes they are vintage Grah & Plumacher blanks reworked and regilded by a modern razor factory using very experienced staff and state of the art machinery.
Very many Revisors and their 'rarities of the wofld' razors have gone through my hands, and all have been excellent razors.
It is a current producer (mass producer) that is a par with others like Dovo and T I - in my experience their shave ready condition and QC control puts them firmly at the top of the list, I would even put them in advance of the new Wackers in terms of quality control and customer friendliness.
Regards,
Neil
Thanks Neil, but would 100 Euro (5/8 razor) not be too cheap for a site reselling Revisor worked Gotta blanks?
I am not Neil. However, I can assure you nonetheless that what Neil insinuated with regards to these Gotta razors is not true. In particular the parts about "large concerns", and "mass production". The question whether €100 for a 5/8 are an adequate price is open to interpretation. The blade in the original post is not made from NOS blanks, otherwise it would almost certainly have stamped maker's mark, not a laser etched one. I would expect it to retail for something like €50-65, but certainly not if it had been made by Revisor.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmnc
Out of morbid curiosity, Neil, where did you get your information from? Because in the pictures below, you can see the "modern factory" and the "state of the art machinery" :banghead:
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I am Neil, Robin, moreover I am most particular in what I write. If you were half so studious in what you read, we would not be having this tedious, time-wasting correspondence.
My allusions were to the Gottas reworked by Revisor Solingen and offered several times to me in the past, to Amazon Uk and Exucutive Shaving by their MD, Thomas.
If you want to rant on about others and where the Gottas they sell came from, then open the link supplied by th OP and contrast it with one on Revisors website.
BTW, as far as the pics posted are concerned, I have most of that machinery but as my shed is even skankier than your room, I will keep it to myself. Sticking a load of old gubbins from a state of the art workshop does not make that workshop state of the art, at least we agree on that...
Just leave me out of any quagmires you want to make - I am neither impressed nor interested, my time is far too precious to waste on trash like this, so I repeat I will not be replying to any threads in the future, particular if I see your questionable name attached.
You have been given enough rope, why not go hang yourself with it and spare us some of this tedium...
Neil
Was looking forward to this... Knew it was inevitable. .......Quite enjoyable, actually! :w
Gotta agree the Gotta in the link looks link its gotta be a remix and not original
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as the Revisor versions of the Gotta as below have clearly stamped tangs
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I Gotta get some sleep. Never liked the name 'Gotta'. Don't 'Gotta' have one. I also figure 'Erusta's' are pretty well-rusted.
As to a Dorko, I digress.
Good nite Gents!
Regards.
Tom
You gotta be kidding ! :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
But what are they remixing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Substance
Don't forget Dovo took Gotta over in the mid 80's was it ?
The top pic looks like a Dovo stamp.
The G&P ones may have a different tang stamp again but I can't remember. Certainly I've seen the pile side with the G&P stamp.
The Remix
To make a copy with a new twist like remixed song
You know "same same, but different"
This was an interesting response to say the least. Seems to be more about personal history than the current discussion ... I read his post and assumed the pictures are of the "modern" equipment being used today in Solingen by Revisor. I don't think there is room for this equipment in Robin's place. It read like a guy who is frustrated by people continuing to act like a few REALLY old guys using antique equipment is a "modern factory" with "state of the art machinery. How they would be capable of mass producing anything and selling to large concerns is a mystery. According to a friend who was hanging out with Thomas yesterday, Revisor can make about 100 razors per month. Dovo can produce 10k in that time. You write that you are particular in answering but it seems you are confusing Revisor with "The Grah & Plümacher Company" and "<the other one".Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
According to people who consider themselves friends with Thomas, Revisor are not behind the razor linked in the OP, and neither are they behind the Gotta razors sold on Amazon. But I don't know definitively
Christ, another delusional tit who cant make out what is in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by richmondesi
For your information I never stated I was a friend of Thomas, I merely know of him through business connectins, many and varied.
Secondly yes I am precise in what I write, and it is plenty obvious to anyone with half an eyeball that the photo posted by the OP has nothing to do with Revisor or originators of the marque Grah & Plumacher.
Thirdly the pics of that machinery came from Thomas Kronenbourgs grinding room and predate 2003. A webmagasine (ugh!) reblogged the photos in 2007 and they have been reblogged a number of other times, the last beig 2010 I believe. It is the cusp of 2015, so who nows what it looks like now?
The fact of the matter is that they use 1950s tooling which has been re-jigged by the electrical skills of Thomas and his father. That tooling was state of the art in the 1950s (goig back to erns Hexe double ginding machine of 1893, so it is clear to me that as the process has grinding for instance has not changed in the 70 or more years, then this rejigged machinefy deserves to be called state of the art.
In the interview accompanying the razors, Gunther, the father, said that they had decided to emulate the old "kotten" style works, with a central workshop with smaller buildings attached.
The set up is very redolent of tbe small houses with tiny courtyards from which tne masses of little meisters once worked in Sheffield, and we find it all over small vintage cutlery and edge tool works.
that such a small concern can onlt turn out fraction of whzt a recognised markeg leader can do is only nagural though. But around 1900 there were so ma y small mamers tnat it would not surprise me in the least if they all operated in a small scale fasnion with some larber market giants.
Things may well be changing, though. Last year I was offered several hundred items 'rarities' their own brand would seem adcitional to quoted turnover. Add to this Amazon (I have not checked them all, but the few I ha e are identical to those on the Revisor website, and one of the resellers (lets ot forget that tbird party resellers also exist in the big world of amazon) and other UK stockist, then a 100 piece turnover begins to look extremely under-rated.
But you should know, close friend of Thomas, aren't you? Mind you, that has not been the case in your post, in which it is hard to enumerate the ignorance you have shown.
Thanks to your inability to read a basic english thread without coming up with more nonsence than you can waive a stick at, I find myself having to posf in this extremely tedious thread yet again, but I simply can not let a fool such as yourself import a meaning to my words which is not there.
.Hopefully that is the end of it. I should pop round to your good friend Thomas and get him to try and teach you a modicum about the industry...
Awesome display! Well done. Being from the UK, I assumed you were a native speaker and would not have any difficulty reading with clear understanding what I wrote. I didn't say you claimed to be a friend or that I was. I said friends of mine who claim to be friends of Thomas' said you are wrong. I assume since they received a guided tour of Solingen by him just yesterday that their information would be more accurate. So, I asked. They answered. Your beef, and venom, is best aimed at someone besides me. The pictures posted by RobinK are still used by the same people in the same manner. Again according to the people who put their eyeballs on it yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Neil, I apologize for you having to chime in again, but if you think blustering insults strengthens your positions, then you are mistaken. Of course, I don't have a business interest vested in being "right" about everything shaving related. I'm just giving others another side of the story from people who claim to know. You mad, Bro?
Please stop with the name calling and insults guys. State the facts as you know them. Disagree in a gentlemanly manner or we will start over again somewhere else.
Thanks!
Yes, quite obviously I am mad, and it is intellectual derelicts and legends in their own minds together with seemlessly unending tide of newbies who asy troll-like and self serving questions mere schoolboys would think twice about asking, that have made me so...
I gotta close this thread as it is too early in the morning for arguments that can't be resolved. Agree to disagree. :argue:
