Thanks OCDshaver, you have expressed very eloquently, what I was trying to say. A well honed razor will give me a bench mark and as a newcomer to this 'hobby/obsession' I need help where I can get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCDshaver
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Thanks OCDshaver, you have expressed very eloquently, what I was trying to say. A well honed razor will give me a bench mark and as a newcomer to this 'hobby/obsession' I need help where I can get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCDshaver
Hey TC, thanks for the response. Everyone should have an opinion and that's why I enjoy these forums. If someone gets passionate, they care and thats also good. In the end, if ya don't like the heat, get outa the kitchen, lol..... I'm enjoying my new 'hobby' and trying different blades - this is going to be fun. And couldn't agree more, doesn't matter what you ride, just ride...... Two good buddies of mine ride HD's, but we get on just fine, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrideshd
Hey Guys, I am not asking everyone to sing kumbayah and hold each other's hands, but keep the personal remarks out of the discussion. Comments like 'Robin needs a hug' tend to provoke an 'oh yeah, well your mother smells of elderberries' type of reaction, and from there it all goes pear shaped until everyone has forgotten what the actual argument was about because they're too busy throwing remarks at each other. not unlike the politics in certain middle eastern countries, but I digress.
Keep it about the topic at hand.
Does anyone know how long they take to answer an email?
I wrote my request over a weekend (on a Saturday) and I received my response the following Monday (2 days later). Once paid, my razor shipped 2 days later....and is currently sitting at home waiting for me as of this morning for me to come home!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thug
Total turn-around since my first inquiry, including shipping from Germany to the US, was 11 days.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...an-6-days.html
As for the difference between shaves, yes I can tell a difference. TI to Revisor both 6/8ths round-tip. Apples to Apples. Dont shave blind folded but the Germans are way ahead on the steel, balance, face feel. If I had to pick one and put it in my go bag Revisor is my choice.
Both sit side by side in my drawer, I always pick the Revisor, TI is a great razor, their definition of full hollow is not a full as the Revisor.
Do you know how a W/B has a certain feel to itself? Its like that. Sorry I cannot be more verbally descriptive.
For the ones I bought, the longest wait was due to the USPS. Revisor ships fast and you'll quickly see the razor leave Germany in about a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denvernoob
But I wouldn't worry about it. RAD dictates that you will probably have to buy both at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ultrasoundguy2003
Oh it sat in US customs for 3 of the aforementioned days.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCDshaver
I don't own any Revisor razors but I do get my fare share in for honing and I can only say they are very nice razors well made the finish is excellent and they take a great edge, I would point any newbie straight razor user their way, but I do on occasion have a new Revisor in for honing so not all of them are shave ready in my opinion.
I agree with celticcrusader: My Revisors didn't were shave ready. They had a very good edge (close to shave ready) but not shave ready.
Yes, that was my only slight quibble also with the one and only Revisor I ordered. All in all not a major knock on Revisor. I still have the razor and enjoy it very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by cariocarj01
Bob
Here is what arrived today.
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This is a 6-0004 blade with the horn scales from model 6-0007. I am pretty happy overall with everything. The blade is certainly top-notch craftsmanship, and the scales are nice and dark in color with some translucent texture that is fantastic. The only slight complaint (and I am splitting hairs a bit here) is that the gold wash is not really what I was expecting as far as brightness and prominence. Ihave a TI that is similar, and I get that Revisor, like anyone, is certainly using the most minimal amount of wash possible. This just seemed ever so slightly sloppy to me given the immaculate workmanship in the grind of the blade itself.
As for edge....
The razor came with a great bevel. I am not going to call it shave ready by my standards but it was by no means dull. The edge looked as if the bevel had been set on a 1k and no further refinement had been done. I took it quickly over a 4k, 8k, 12k, pasted balsa, then leather and the edge is now flawless. All combined it really was only a 30 min effort to polish and finish the edge as the bevel that was set at the factory was spot on.
Hope that helps a bit!
damn you Denver...out done again
Looks can be deceiving. The bevel was set on a Hexe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denvernoob
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/KrlHo0PeHL3...w269-h201-p-no
The finish was done on a natural hone.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/M7mAupJEIDE...w295-h221-p-no
Source: Straight Razor Magazine, "Interview with Thomas Kronenberg, CEO at Revisor GmbH"
I love shoulderless blades!!!!! Nice Denver!Quote:
Originally Posted by Denvernoob
This may be the case, and as I mentioned it was not a knock on the vendor or the razor. As I mentioned previously in this thread, I have very sensitive skin and need a razor that isn't just sharp, but smooth as well. The striations left in the ege were indicative of a somewhat unrefined edge. It was better than those I have seen out of the factory at, say, TI, but was not a pro-hone. Look...I get it...if I am a razor MANUFACTURER selling at a certain price point, I am not going to spend an hour additionally producing each blade and not pass that along to the customer. To keep the price down and to remain profitable, getting a good start on the edge is what makes sense. Some people may have found that with some paste and stropping that the edge might be fine for them. It just wasn't right for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
Taken another way, I at least touch up just about every blade I get regardless of who touched it. Thus far there has been only one exception.
I took the razor for a test drive last evening and it shaved like a dream. It is a wonderful shoulderless blade and took a fantastic edge. Worth every penny.
As I have said before, I have only had one issue with a Revisor and I have had hundreds pass through my hands. That issue was sorted out by Thomas straight away. Thomas also told me about his father and how he sharpened the razors, so no, I do not think that they 'save money' by doing a less than perfect honing job. This is not unusual in small firms - Erik Anton Berg of Eskilstuna in Sweden was helped by his wife - she honed the razors herself, and they were selling a lot of razors, even in the beginning before they had a honing department - still supervised by Mrs. Berg.
I would say that in the time I sold Thomas's razors that they edges were perfectly acceptable - you have to set your aim some where, as people have different skins and expectations, and I think his father did a fine job.
I tested the edges first and re-honed them all, but only because I was after a higher spec honing job, not because the original honing was defective in any way.
One last thing, for Robin - I was under the impression that the Hexe (aka 'witch') was an upright double concaving machine invented by Carl Fr. Ern in 1893.
That flat honing machine you pictured is the same as the one as that ass uses who promotes himself as "...the finest honemeister in the country...with over a decades honing under [my] belt..." in his "true Honing" gibberish self aggrandizing website (he was one of the original 'hone a hundred razors' nonsense after I joined here which makes it around 2009 - not even a decade...).
I know I continue to knock him, but why not? If he keeps spouting lies to draw suckers in and acting like an ass, then he deserves it. It is not like I have named him....
I think I have also seen a similar lapping plate on one of Dovo's videos. In any case, it isn't a Hexe (unless there is a company called Hexe which makes machines that are not really hexes...?) and the blade is finished on a coticule.
As you say, a lot of skill is necessary to do it properly on the revolving plate, as the operator holds the back off the plate. I have often wondered about finishing on the stone - the back must be contacting the stone in this final finishing of the blade, so it is at a different angle and one would suspect that some steel removal was necessary to modify the angle, yet when one watches the video it is done wonderfully fast.
Regards,
Neil
I want to be very clear here that I am not trying to attack the vendor or unfairly criticize them, but merely post my opinion on what arrived yesterday. I am very happy with the product and perceive it as a wonderful value overall. As I have stated clearly, the craftsmanship is VERY good and represents an excellent $ value as I believe it to be above several larger manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
I did perceive, and will continue to maintain, that while there was no "problem" with the honing, that it just wasn't quite finished. As I mentioned, the bevel was perfectly set and the razor was "sharp." It just needed to be finished. The bevel was foggy and un-polished. Whether this is the norm or not isn't for me to say as this is my first (and certainly not my last) Revisor, but it is how it arrived. I am providing objective knowledge about the product, in its current state, as several people have asked for. If people disagree with me or want to defend the vendor, I certainly don't think it is necessary as I have no beef whatsoever and really find myself after the first shave to be an advocate of a wonderful product.
Neil, I was honestly only trying to find out if anyone noticed. *harrumph*
This is a Hexe:
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Absolutely not. It would be economic suicide to do that in any event. Bad news travels fast. And I, too, have yet to see an Aust, Revisor or Wacker that isn't shave ready, ie capable of removing hair without having to be honed first. But personal preferences differ. When I was still buying razors, I habitually took each "honemeister" blade to a Coticule, "dulling" it first. Not because these blades hadn't been honed to the best of the honer's capabilities, but because they took them beyond a degree of sharpness with which I could shave comfortably. That said, I "dull" SE blades by "stropping" them at too high an angle in my palm first, too. That really is a YMMV thing, whereas mere shave readiness clearly isn't. A razor either shaves, or it doesn't. Whether it can be tuned to cater to one person's particular needs is a different story entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
Some recent Dovos on the other hand... :deadhorse:
Actually, it is not the same machine. The @$$ uses a much lower quality one that wobbles all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Miller
I'm pretty sure the Revisor people use a better quality horizontal wet grinder and that they are better at using it.
Actually, they use vintage equipment pimped by them. It is a not-so-well-kept secret that Revisor are actually a hobby operation. Their actual business is electrical installation. If you take a close look at the images from the interview, you will see that the vintage machines have new electronics. The stuff is pure magic. Best of both worlds, if you will.
Fun fact, back in the day, apprentices had to grind razors for four years before they were let anywhere near the finishing machines. Four years. As part of a German production process. Think a few dozen razors per day. And miraculously, Revisor have been able to find retired craftsmen from that era who helped them streamline their production process. It's as highly professional as it is deeply in love with the craft.
Which is why I find it entirely unfair if someone who's never made a razor in his whole life goes, "yeah, but that razor wasn't shave ready." Revisor put blood, sweat, and tears into their razors. They - rightfully, I'd like to add! - take pride in their craft and the ensuing razors. The least we can do is pay them some respect. Their razors are as close to vintage Solingen craftsmanship as you will get, and I hope they will be able to make razors for many years to come. Because proper razor making is a dying art.
Very few new "Factory" razors are "Shave Ready" once in a great while the Razor Gods smile and one comes out that is... this starts the whole debate over again
Revisors are not any better, nor do they try to be as evidenced by the vids and blogs, so what, they make a quality razor with really awesome grinds, at a good price point, get over it already...
So now you are saying because I didn't make the razor that I don't know if it's shave ready? Get off of your horse...seriously. I get that you like the brand...but to sit here on your soapbox and tell ME that I don't know how sharp a razor is or is not that arrived in the mail is just plain asinine. Simple fact, and I will state it again...Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
razor was NOT shave ready by most any standard. I didn't actually expect it to be, and I have the ability to correct this status of the blade by, of all things, pulling out my own series of hones and producing a shave ready blade....and I have stated EXPLICITLY numerous times I don't fault the manufacturer of the blade for this. If they hold themselves to a higher standard, then guess what....they missed their own mark! Still not a bog deal. I still love everything about the razor, and I also LOVE how it shaves now that it has a properly honed edge on it.
Gentlemen,
Forgive me, but this thread is really growing tedious with all the back and forth. I think it has served its usefulness with some good information passed around. Perhaps we should now let it fade gracefully into the sunset. Thanks.
I have NEVER had a bad Revisor straight razor.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I'm honestly wondering: did you shave with the razor before you honed it, or did you hone it based on the way the bevel looked? I can't find you making any reference to it, that's why I'm asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denvernoob
I'm wondering, because it was, most likely, honed on a coticule and coticules are known to leave sandblasted looking edges. Your description, 'foggy and unpolished', sounds very much like a visual description of a coticule edge.
Apart from that, nothing to add. Revisors are wonderful razors and may you enjoy yours for many years to come.
I'm not criticizing Revisor. I have two and they are very good shavers. My earlier post was just a fact: my two Revisors didn't came shave ready.
...And i'm very happy to have Revisor making Razors today as the "old days".
...And in agreement to Obie's last post: I'm done here and leaving the thread for now.
I removed the razor from the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pithor
I removed residual oil with a towel.
I TP tested, it didn't grab my pad as my properly honed razors do.
I attempted to tree top arm hair, no hair grabbed
I attempted to then shave my forearm, it tugged and pulled, and the 2 hairs that "cut" were yanked out by the root.
I inspected the edge and noted foggyness, then honed.
This is my standard inspection as it were for any razor I aquire from any source. Now 28 razors in my fleet all passed or failed, as it were. I have plenty of antique store finds and the like that were far more dull, and I have a lot of pro-honed razors that were far sharper.
Due to the sensitive nature of my facial skin, I adopted the above process to avoid some very painful razor burn, and it hasn't failed me since I implemented it.
Well I guess we all can say reagardless, Revisors are keepers whether shave ready or needing a touch up once you get a new one in hand. I really like mine and can't wait to whack whiskers again with it!
Of that there is no doubt whatsoever! I know I will be seeking another out sooner rather than later. It is unfortunate this thread turned into a bit of a quibble over what, in the end, is the icing on an already fantastic cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael70
Ordered my Revisor last thursday and have been apprised of it's arrival at my office this morning in Cumbria UK, now that is a fantastic service, I doubt it would have arrived sooner if it had been a stock item in a UK establishment. Paid for by bank transfer by the way.
Picture or it didnt happen. CongratsQuote:
Originally Posted by TomP30
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First shave ever with a straight this morning! I followed my usual prep routine and got to work with the Revisor, it was an experience. I know Lynn Abrams says new guys should stick to cheeks only, I had to go the whole hog however and set out to finish what I had started. I carefully cleaned the blade of any oil residue and dried it, lathered up with my Tabac soap etc. I didn't strop as this is not recommended by the seller, plus I have no idea what constitutes 'shave ready'! On the plus side I didn't cut myself, I didn't even have any weepers which I was surprised at. I also got a full shave although it took time, plenty of relathering and the end result was uneven and not as close as somebody that knows what they are doing would achieve. I nonetheless avoided terrifying my kids by confronting them with a blood soaked nightmare and felt more confidant at the end than when I started. Now on to stropping!!!
