Trying to zero in on a mfg. date

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07-04-2016, 04:52 PM
howdydave

Trying to zero in on a mfg. date

I recently purchased a Henckels 10072 1/2 straight razor with an illing (one man) logo.

I saw a site about a 10072 Henckles razor, but I don't know Russian.

I'm guessing that I'm looking at a date somewhere between 1895 and 1904.

Can anybody here translate for me from: ÐžÐ¿Ð°ÑÐ½Ð°Ñ Ð±Ñ€Ð¸Ñ‚Ð²Ð° Henckels | Ð¡Ñ‚Ð°Ñ€Ð°Ñ Ð¾Ð¿Ð°ÑÐ½Ð°Ñ Ð±Ñ€Ð¸Ñ‚Ð²Ð°

Описание товара

Очень редкая бритва в коллекцию. Конец 19 или самое начало 20 века . Отличное состояние и геометрия, бритва прекрасно сохранилась, совершенно не сточена, родная ручка. Чистейшая углеродистая сталь. Более поздние Хенкельсы стали выпускать из нержавеющей стали INOX (inoxidable).
Старейшее предприятие Золинген, основано в 1731 году. Торговые марки: Zwilling (23.02.1871); Wotan (1898 № 30775); Zwillingswerk (1899 № 36677); Henckels (1898 № 30897); Zwillinge (1899 № 36676); Henckelswerk (1901 № 50354); Vacuum; Acutal; Blitznieta; Coltelleria; Twin Works; Noxida; Twins.
Логотипы: тройняшки (1895 № 7116); близнецы между двумя деревьями (1895 № 7125); отдельная фигура (1895 № 7130); «четверняшки» — четыре близнеца (1895 № 7131); отдельная фигура с алебардой (1895 № 7135); различные вариации близнецов (1895 № 7175, 1898 № 28914, 1904 № 71482); J.A.HENCKELS над словом SOLINGEN рядом с близнецами (1898 № 32620); J A HENCKELS, написанное по дуге над словом SOLINGEN, также написанным по дуге, в центре между словами близнецы (1898 № 32621).

Many thanks.
07-04-2016, 05:22 PM
Mrchick

Trying to zero in on a mfg. date

Quote:

Originally Posted by howdydave

I recently purchased a Henckels 10072 1/2 straight razor with an illing (one man) logo.

I saw a site about a 10072 Henckles razor, but I don't know Russian.

I'm guessing that I'm looking at a date somewhere between 1895 and 1904.

Can anybody here translate for me from: ÐžÐ¿Ð°ÑÐ½Ð°Ñ Ð±Ñ€Ð¸Ñ‚Ð²Ð° Henckels | Ð¡Ñ‚Ð°Ñ€Ð°Ñ Ð¾Ð¿Ð°ÑÐ½Ð°Ñ Ð±Ñ€Ð¸Ñ‚Ð²Ð°

Описание товара

Очень редкая бритва в коллекцию. Конец 19 или самое начало 20 века . Отличное состояние и геометрия, бритва прекрасно сохранилась, совершенно не сточена, родная ручка. Чистейшая углеродистая сталь. Более поздние Хенкельсы стали выпускать из нержавеющей стали INOX (inoxidable).
Старейшее предприятие Золинген, основано в 1731 году. Торговые марки: Zwilling (23.02.1871); Wotan (1898 № 30775); Zwillingswerk (1899 № 36677); Henckels (1898 № 30897); Zwillinge (1899 № 36676); Henckelswerk (1901 № 50354); Vacuum; Acutal; Blitznieta; Coltelleria; Twin Works; Noxida; Twins.
Логотипы: тройняшки (1895 № 7116); близнецы между двумя деревьями (1895 № 7125); отдельная фигура (1895 № 7130); «четверняшки» — четыре близнеца (1895 № 7131); отдельная фигура с алебардой (1895 № 7135); различные вариации близнецов (1895 № 7175, 1898 № 28914, 1904 № 71482); J.A.HENCKELS над словом SOLINGEN рядом с близнецами (1898 № 32620); J A HENCKELS, написанное по дуге над словом SOLINGEN, также написанным по дуге, в центре между словами близнецы (1898 № 32621).

Many thanks.

I plugged the text into an online translation program and got the following::
The Description of the goods [/h] very rare razor in a collection. The end 19 or the beginning of 20 centuries. An excellent condition and geometry, the razor it was perfectly kept, the native handle is not ground off absolutely not. The cleanest carbonaceous steel. More recent Хенкельсы began to let out from stainless steel INOX (inoxidable).
The oldest enterprise Solingen, is based in 1731. Trade marks: Zwilling (23.02.1871); Wotan (1898 30775); Zwillingswerk (1899 36677); Henckels (1898 30897); Zwillinge (1899 36676); Henckelswerk (1901 50354); Vacuum; Acutal; Blitznieta; Coltelleria; Twin Works; Noxida; Twins. Trade marks: тройняшки (1895 7116); twins between two trees (1895 7125); a separate figure (1895 7130); «четверняшки» — four twins (1895 7131); a separate figure with a halberd (1895 7135); various variations of twins (1895 7175, 1898 28914, 1904 71482); J.A.HENCKELS above word SOLINGEN near to twins (1898 32620); J A HENCKELS, written on an arch above word SOLINGEN also written on an arch, in the center between words twins (1898 32621).

I hope this helps.
07-04-2016, 05:33 PM
howdydave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrchick

I plugged the text into an online translation program and got the following::
The Description of the goods [/h] very rare razor in a collection. The end 19 or the beginning of 20 centuries. An excellent condition and geometry, the razor it was perfectly kept, the native handle is not ground off absolutely not. The cleanest carbonaceous steel. More recent Хенкельсы began to let out from stainless steel INOX (inoxidable).
The oldest enterprise Solingen, is based in 1731. Trade marks: Zwilling (23.02.1871); Wotan (1898 30775); Zwillingswerk (1899 36677); Henckels (1898 30897); Zwillinge (1899 36676); Henckelswerk (1901 50354); Vacuum; Acutal; Blitznieta; Coltelleria; Twin Works; Noxida; Twins. Trade marks: тройняшки (1895 7116); twins between two trees (1895 7125); a separate figure (1895 7130); «четверняшки» — four twins (1895 7131); a separate figure with a halberd (1895 7135); various variations of twins (1895 7175, 1898 28914, 1904 71482); J.A.HENCKELS above word SOLINGEN near to twins (1898 32620); J A HENCKELS, written on an arch above word SOLINGEN also written on an arch, in the center between words twins (1898 32621).

I hope this helps.

Thank you very much!

I just popped off an inquiry to Henckels International stating that I thought the mfg. date might have been between 1895 and 1904...
Looks like I was in the ballpark.
07-04-2016, 05:44 PM
howdydave

The site where I saw the Henckels 10072 razor looks like the seller knew his product and was selling it for 13,000 rubles (about $203.50 US.)

Guess I got a deal for $55!
07-04-2016, 05:44 PM
Mrchick

Quote:

Originally Posted by howdydave

Thank you very much!

I just popped off an inquiry to Henckels International stating that I thought the mfg. date might have been between 1895 and 1904...
Looks like I was in the ballpark.

Happy to help. Please update the thread if you hear back from Henckels.
07-05-2016, 07:22 AM
rodb

I hope he hears something back but I wouldn't hold my breath, I wrote them about eight years ago and I'm fairly sure the person who wrote me back didn't know what a straight razor was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrchick

Happy to help. Please update the thread if you hear back from Henckels.
07-05-2016, 04:04 PM
beluga

Trying to zero in on a mfg. date

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but what on earth makes you think that this Henckels razor with the 10072 model number was made sometime between 1895 and 1904?

There is no "10072" in the text you quoted, and in any case these are the numbers of various trademarks that Henckels registered, not razor model numbers.

From what I remember so far from previous discussions (some of which included quotes from correspondence with Henckels), the 10072 model was most likely produced sometime between the 1950's and 1968.

That would also fit the style of the (plastic) scales that look anything but 1895-1904 to me.

The 50's and 60's were also the years when Henckels reduced the number of twins on some products to a single twin, calling them sometimes "illing" after removing the "Zw" from "Zwilling" (twin).

Your guess is as good as mine, but as I said before, I believe this could have been to identify a Henckels economy (carbon steel) razor range.

I don't mind at all being proven wrong on the time frame when this razor was produced, but I seriously doubt I will.

B.

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07-05-2016, 06:01 PM
howdydave

I just figured that if I gave Henckels a very narrow time frame, I would be more likely to get either a firm YES or a firm NO out of them.
07-06-2016, 02:16 AM
howdydave

I whetted the interest of somebody in customer relations here in NY and now all I have to do is wait for my razor so that I can send him some photos.

to wit:

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JUL 05, 2016 | 03:29PM EDT
Robert replied:

Dear David Naess,

Thank you for contacting Zwilling JA Henckels. Please e-mail me back with clear photos of your razor, and be sure to show the Henckels logo in at least one of the photos. We will then forward the photos on to Henckels in Germany, where they will search for the history on your razor.

Sincerely,

Robert
Consumer Relations

ZWILLING J.A. HENCKELS, LLC
270 Marble Avenue • Pleasantville, NY, 10570 • USA
Tel. 1-800-777-4308 • ZWILLINGUS.COM

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07-08-2016, 06:53 PM
howdydave

Got my razor in the mail today.

I couldn't get images using my Nikon COOLPIX-S3600 that were anywhere near as sharp as the images that were on e-bay. (I can't get it to focus very well at a distance less than 1 meter.)
I visually verified that the e-bay pictures were, indeed, pictures of my razor, made PDFs of the images, and forwarded them to Robert at J.A. Hinckels in NY.

We shall see what we shall see.

Tried it out and this seems to be the shave ready razor (only bought 3 so far) that I have gotten to date.

The e-bay seller is: april7th1989 and s/he is located in New York City.
07-11-2016, 02:58 PM
howdydave

Got a reply from Robert at Hinckels:

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JUL 11, 2016 | 09:58AM EDT
Robert replied:

Dear David Naess,

I have forwarded your e-mail and photos on to Henckels in Germany, where they will search to see if they can find any information on your knife. They will contact you when they have found the info. Please allow for at least several weeks for a reply.

Thank you,

Robert
Consumer Relations

ZWILLING J.A. HENCKELS, LLC
270 Marble Avenue • Pleasantville, NY, 10570 • USA
Tel. 1-800-777-4308 • ZWILLINGUS.COM

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01-05-2017, 01:08 AM
howdydave

January 4, 2017 and I still have not heard back from Henckels...
01-05-2017, 02:03 AM
manah

http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...tml#post881406
01-05-2017, 05:36 AM
howdydave

Howdy manah!

Many thanks for the reference to the thread you listed.

Since the Illing on the scales of my razor is aligned like the picture posted and since the series number is 10072 1/2, I am leaning toward the opinion that I got an authentic Henckels for a great price. I feel perfectly content to go on thinking so until I get work from Henckels informing me otherwise.

I have updated my speculation as to the manufacturing date -- based on the information in the thread, a date of 1966 seems much more likely.