This interesting razor just got sold. Thomas W. Ward & Co.
Any info about this grind? Might be challenging to hone.
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This interesting razor just got sold. Thomas W. Ward & Co.
Any info about this grind? Might be challenging to hone.
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That’s certainly uncommon. I’ll be wanting to hear from others on this.
Broke the blade on the grinder, MIG welded it back together, ground the weld partway down??? :)
I've not seen that grind before...wow! It is a variation of the Rattler type grind and a kin of the fullered blade offered by a few manufacturers.It was most likely ground with a two wheel grinder with shaped narrow wheels.
JMO
~Richard
I was going to say a regrind of a fuller wedge. It’s an odd one for sure.
I have seen that grind somewhere on this forum before but for the life of me can't remember where or what it is called. If it was a regrind of a fuller wedge, would the engraving/etching still be on the concave upper part? Early version of a bellied hollow? Also it looks to have heavy hone wear on the spine and longitudinal stiffener. Interesting indeed.
Bob
How about "double concave" as in post #4 here https://straightrazorpalace.com/razo...ke-before.html .
Bob
I've got a Tally Ho with the same grind. Mine is not the most perfect example as not all who did the grinding on these were equal in skill.
From what I've read, they were often older wedges that received a regrind makeover, so to have more appeal to the buyer.. Manufacturers were always trying to...
I've heard different names. One of which was the double concave. You can do a search and see, Tom has some amazing ones from what I remember, there was a thread on this grind..
Double Swaged, Double Concave, etc.
I'll post a pic of mine later as I'm at work now.
I do see this one that may be the same without the hone wear from post 175: https://straightrazorpalace.com/razo...ns-set-18.html
@altus calls it bellied hollow
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Oh that's a beauty! Love the scales.
Sometimes they have a single concave regrind where the lower half is left a wedge. Sometimes double, I think I remember Rez having a triple.
I think a good way to tell if it's a regrind is to look at the tang stamp. These usually become shoulderless with the regrind and you can see when the grind has taken away some of the tang stamp..
That is the fuller wedge I was referring to. My original thoughts being that someone took an old fuller wedge and regrouped it thinner on the bottom half. I seefrom the links posted by others (thanks) that this was actually a style of blade, rare but it occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHouston
You have to look at what the razor looked like when made not after being honed to death
They are most often called a "Sabre Grind" they are fairly uncommon, and that is just another variation of it, the more common look is in post #9
I am looking for a pic now, I actually restored one years back with two grooves
A Double Concave, and a Bellied hollow, are quite different from both the pic in post #1 and MrHouston's pic in post #9
Thanks Glen, I was trying to remember that one, the sabre grind.
If you can post some pics.. Even after seeing the multiple pics on other threads of double concave, double swaged, and perhaps some other names, I'm still a bit confused on terminology.
The blade beginning this thread obviously shows hone wear. I was under the impression that this was a double concave and that when the single grind of a wedge blade, closer to the spine is a sabre grind being that it resemble the "blood-let" of a sabre...
Is there an agreed upon set of names for these various grinds? And if so can we see some pics of such?
Reminds me of a couple of blades I've got... sitting around... waiting for "new shoes" and honing.
The first, a massive Gilchrist
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The second, a "diminutive" Friedmann & Lauterjung
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Originally Posted by MikeT
There is the problem, right there in one line, it is NOT agreed upon, hell we still have people call it a Barber's Notch and that has NEVER been found anywhere in the old advertisements
Hollow point or Hollow Notch is all we have ever seen, and better yet is that people will tell a multitude of stories about what it is for that are all un-proved
Rattler razor or grind is another mystery as it is stamped on so many types of razors we have no idea which is correct
We do know what a Double Concave is from the Patent
We also know what the basic grinds are from the Razor Companies so a Bellied Hollow is pretty well known too
But so much of this is lost to history and we just try and reconstruct it as best we can
Everything Glen said is true.
It was an established variety of semi-fancy blade grind going back to at least the first decade of the 1800's. I have seen pictures of late 1700's razors that have the added hollowing along the spine, but that's slightly different.
As long as you use tape, it shouldn't be any different to hone than any old Sheffield razor is from any other old Sheffield razor -- which is to say fairly different.
Here's some more examples, including another one of the model of Gilchrist JBHoren posted upthread (this is what the original scales looked like! :D )
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And here are two rattler grind razors without the extra hollowing, one by Horrabin, the other Jonathan Crookes.
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And from the 1812-15 Smith's Key, this very oddball version on the top:
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Is there a functional purpose or is it just an elaborate grind for its own sake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voidmonster
More than anything it’s ornamental. It showed the skill of the grinder.Quote:
Originally Posted by OCDshaver
Though it did slightly reduce weight, and if it’s coupled with the rattler style, it’s got some of the virtue of the later hollow ground styles.
Mostly it was showing off.
Showing off. In that regard nothing has changed in the razor/shave community since then. :beer1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Voidmonster
They just look like swages which were popular in cutlery at that time. Most grinds were wedges and a swage allowed lighter weight with no loss in tensile strength. You would see them in swords and knives of the same time period
